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    Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    I just had the tires rotated on my wife's 99 Deville and the shop said that some front end repairs should be on my to-do list. The first is replacing the left outer tie rod due to some play and the second is replacing all four struts on the car due to the 132K mileage mark. Their estimated costs for the tie rod end work is $175 and for the strut work is $1275. How difficult are these jobs and what special tools are required to perform them?

    I looked at their parts cost - $100.99 for the tie rod end, p/n ES3452 and $230 each for the front/rear struts, p/n G56775, G56776, G56664 and compared to RockAuto.com They seem very high for the tie rod end, but not terribly out of line for the struts.

    I'm reasonably mechanically inclined, and I should be able to obtain any special tools from AutoZone.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    I think we can save you some serious cash -

    you don't say which model Deville you have - or whether it has electronic suspension -
    but - a '99 with 130K miles - here is what I would recommend -

    Monroe 90011 front strut kit -
    this is everything except new springs - for BOTH sides -

    the best price today is $149.37 - with free shipping -
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    and for the rear -
    Monroe 40046 - this is a direct fit replacement -
    the best price today is $99.60 each - with free shipping -
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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    to replace the front struts -
    remove the strut -
    use a spring compressor to compress the coil spring -
    remove the nut on top -
    the strut assembly will come apart -
    throw everything except the spring away -
    reassemble the strut assembly -
    remove the spring compressor -
    reinstall the strut -

    you will need an alignment -

    the rear is much easier -

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    for the outer tie rod -
    I would strongly recommend doing both sides at the same time -

    the best price for a genuine ACDelco part is $29.95 each - with free shipping -
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    you can save even more money if you use these Mevotech brand tie rods -
    $12.78 each - with free shipping -
    http://www.amazon.com/Auto-Extra-Mev...1&s=automotive
    I have used several of these Mevotech brand parts with no problem -
    if it were my car - I would not hesitate using them - and save the money -

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    to do the tie rod ends -

    you need to borrow a "pickle fork" to pop it off -
    the shaft of the ball&socket joint is tapered -
    the pickle fork is a wedge you hammer in to separate the joint -

    loosen the jam nut -
    remove the nut -
    use the pickle fork to separate the tie rod -
    COUNT THE NUMBER OF FULL TURNS it takes to remove the old tie rod -
    install the new tie rod THE SAME NUMBER OF TURNS -
    connect the tie rod end -
    install the nut -
    snug up the jam nut -
    install the new grease fitting if you get one -

    get an alignment -

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    so - how did we do -

    I looked at their parts cost -$230 each for the front/rear struts
    front and rear struts - $350 total for parts -
    and that includes new front spring seats - insulators - and bearings -

    and $26 for BOTH outer tie rods -
    Their estimated costs for the tie rod end work is $175

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Quote Originally Posted by CaddieNewbe View Post
    ...and the second is replacing all four struts on the car due to the 132K mileage mark.
    Is this the only reason they recommend new struts? Because of what the odometer says?

    Do you notice a need? Perhaps they are just coming up with things to fix that aren't really necessary yet.

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    I'm just now starting to feel the need for new struts on my '95 with 190,000 miles on the clock.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Rule #1, ignore what the shop says in regards to extra work. It may need it, it may not, but they have a vested interest in telling you it needs it.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    FWIW, if you don't have one, there is little need to pick up a pickle fork just to do the tiny tie rod ends. A firm rap with the hammer on the knuckle where the tapered stud goes through will usually pop it loose. Else, just hammer the tie rod end stud itself until it pops out - it's getting replaced anyway, no need to worry about ruining the threads.

    ^^^These methods sometimes don't work on heavy duty examples, but for the little joints on passenger cars, they work great. For future reference, the first method is the best choice if you need to save/re-use the joint. The second method and the pickle fork method will ruin the joint.

    I also advise AGAINST the turn-counting method for initial set. I used to do this and eventually found it to be relatively inaccurate due to slight differences in manufacturing. Your best bet is to physically measure (with decent precision) the distance from a standard benchmark of your choice to the center of the stud. Still get it professionally aligned when completed.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Counting the number of turns usually gets you in the ballpark but it's still best to get an alignment done after. It used to work better before they started making crap parts.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Thanks for the quick response and helpful advice. I fully understand that the shop is recommending these repairs because they need some business.

    Yes, bigm57ict, the strut(s) repair is suggested solely on the basis of mileage. I haven't observed any driving issues that indicate a problem. I haven't yet hoisted the frot end to check the "play" in the left front suspension, but will do that soon. Nice to see that the repairs are not terribly difficult. I've replace tie rod ends on other vehicles, so I have some experience.

    Thanks, basscatt, for the detailed breakdown of parts, repairs and costs. This site can easily save the DIY some serious cash :-)

    I'll let you guys know what I find when I hoist the car.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Quote Originally Posted by CaddieNewbe View Post
    Thanks for the quick response and helpful advice. I fully understand that the shop is recommending these repairs because they need some business.

    Yes, bigm57ict, the strut(s) repair is suggested solely on the basis of mileage. I haven't observed any driving issues that indicate a problem. I haven't yet hoisted the frot end to check the "play" in the left front suspension, but will do that soon. Nice to see that the repairs are not terribly difficult. I've replace tie rod ends on other vehicles, so I have some experience.

    Thanks, basscatt, for the detailed breakdown of parts, repairs and costs. This site can easily save the DIY some serious cash :-)

    I'll let you guys know what I find when I hoist the car.
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    keep us posted

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Hi - I just caught up to this thread a week ago because I have a 99 deville concours with a blown right front strut and my left one has a minor leak. I read it through and ordered the Monroe 90011 Kit from Amazon. It just came in today. They sent me (1) one strut and 2 different Strut-Mate Mounting Kits. I was a little disappointed because the Amazon site shows 2 struts and 2 shocks as the components of the kit but it is not as pictured. I paid them about $160. because I thought it was for both sides. I think I found a couple of used struts from a junk yard that they rate in Grade A condition for $50. each. What do you guys think of used struts. They are coming off a car with 97,000 miles.? I'd appreciate any council on the matter.

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    Waste of money.

    At that mileage, they're almost definitely bad.

    Even with 40K on them, did they drive the junked car to determine they're in grade A condition? No. So they have no Idea.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac390 View Post
    Hi - I just caught up to this thread a week ago because I have a 99 deville concours with a blown right front strut and my left one has a minor leak. I read it through and ordered the Monroe 90011 Kit from Amazon. It just came in today. They sent me (1) one strut and 2 different Strut-Mate Mounting Kits. I was a little disappointed because the Amazon site shows 2 struts and 2 shocks as the components of the kit but it is not as pictured. I paid them about $160. because I thought it was for both sides. I think I found a couple of used struts from a junk yard that they rate in Grade A condition for $50. each. What do you guys think of used struts. They are coming off a car with 97,000 miles.? I'd appreciate any council on the matter.
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    FIRST -
    the Monroe 90011 kit IS the complete front strut set - for BOTH SIDES -
    it has everything except the coil springs -



    if you didn't get everything pictured -
    it is incomplete - CALL Amazon right now - send it back -

    I paid them about $160.
    YES - Amazon still has the best price -
    today it is $160.07 with free shipping -

    I think I found a couple of used struts from a junk yard
    that they rate in Grade A condition for $50. each.

    .........with 97,000 miles.
    those are EXACTLY what you have on you car right now -
    old - worn-out - used struts -
    if you wash off the mud and grease - they would be GRADE A too -

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Will the 90011 kit also work for the Concours model?

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    A correction is in order -- the other strut arrived a few days later than the first one, so Amazon did complete the order. I would have thought they would have both arrived at the same time.

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    Re: Front End Repairs for 99 Deville

    Good evening guys, I posted about an annoying squeak on my 98 Concours a while ago and have been chasing it since with no resolution. I'm almost positive that it is in the strut(s) themselves due to the process of elimination. That being said, I have not changed the mounts yet. Could that be the problem? The reason I tagged on to this post is the fact that it's about struts and their cost. My car does have air and the electronic suspension and the quote to replace the fronts I got was insane. Any ideas?

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