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    Question 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    My Caddy is at the dealership under a GMPP plan (it expires this week).
    Anyway, I am gettinga bunch of things fixed, uncluding a new ELC for the rear sag on my car - but my rear shocks are leaking, per the dealer.

    How much do rear shocks cost for a 2002 Deville DTS?
    The dealership told me about $700-800 and I just laughed at him.

    Any help or suggestion!??

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    Re: 2002 Deville DTS rear shocks $$$

    Shocks for your car (active suspension) are $585 apiece, RockAuto. Those shocks also incorporate the air bladders for ELC (Electronic level Control).

    It's a $50,000 performance sedan, and that's where maintenance costs will lie.

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    Re: 2002 Deville DTS rear shocks $$$

    your car uses air shocks on the rear -

    OK - OIL FILLED SHOCKS THAT HAVE AN AIR BLADDER
    CONNECTED TO A COMPRESSOR
    TO MAINTAIN PROPER RIDE HEIGHT -

    like I said - air shocks -

    any replacement shock you choose will be an air shock -

    except if you go with a coil-over shock
    because the compressor is shot - but that's another story -

    you only have a couple choices -

    stay with the "ACTIVE" suspension and spend the big bucks -
    but you can still save some money compared to OE -

    Monroe - LEFT - #40029 - $372.35 with free shipping from -
    http://www.autopartsway.com/Part.cfm?40029/MON

    and - RIGHT - #40030 - $372.43 with free shipping from -
    http://www.autopartsway.com/Part.cfm?40030/MON

    these are direct replacement units for your "ACTIVE" suspension -
    at a substantial savings compared to OE -
    -------------------------

    the other - MUCH CHEAPER - solution -
    is to go with "PASSIVE" rear shocks -
    just like the base model Deville and DHS use -

    Monroe #MA822 is an EXCELLENT replacement -
    it uses the factory air lines - simple plug-n-play -

    and you won't believe the price -
    $50.98 - FOR THE PAIR - YES - BOTH REAR SHOCKS - with free shipping -
    http://www.autopartstomorrow.com/par...5-rear-max-air

    so - "what's the catch" you ask -

    the "PASSIVE" shocks use a fixed valve that doesn't change -

    the "ACTIVE" rear shocks use an electronically adjusted valve
    that can change how the shock works -
    it can go from a soft ride - to a very stiff ride -
    in the fraction of a second -

    the computer receives all sorts of input from a gazallion sensors -
    speed - direction - braking - accelerating - etc -
    analyzes that input - and changes the shocks -

    IF you really drive the car in a "spirited" manor -
    you might feel the difference between
    an "ACTIVE" and a "PASSIVE" suspension -

    SOME of the members will tell you
    if you don't replace with the "active" shocks -
    you no longer have a DTS - yadda - yadda - yadda -

    I say - if you don't "drive on the edge" -
    you'll never know the difference -

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    Re: 2002 Deville DTS rear shocks $$$

    AND if you replace them with the passive Monroes you will have a "Service Suspension - Speed Limited To 90" message on the dash board. I believe it can be defeated with some resistors in the wiring.

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    Re: 2002 Deville DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by basscatt View Post
    your car uses air shocks on the rear -

    OK - OIL FILLED SHOCKS THAT HAVE AN AIR BLADDER
    CONNECTED TO A COMPRESSOR
    TO MAINTAIN PROPER RIDE HEIGHT -

    like I said - air shocks -

    any replacement shock you choose will be an air shock -

    except if you go with a coil-over shock
    because the compressor is shot - but that's another story -

    you only have a couple choices -

    stay with the "ACTIVE" suspension and spend the big bucks -
    but you can still save some money compared to OE -

    Monroe - LEFT - #40029 - $372.35 with free shipping from -
    http://www.autopartsway.com/Part.cfm?40029/MON

    and - RIGHT - #40030 - $372.43 with free shipping from -
    http://www.autopartsway.com/Part.cfm?40030/MON

    these are direct replacement units for your "ACTIVE" suspension -
    at a substantial savings compared to OE -
    -------------------------

    the other - MUCH CHEAPER - solution -
    is to go with "PASSIVE" rear shocks -
    just like the base model Deville and DHS use -

    Monroe #MA822 is an EXCELLENT replacement -
    it uses the factory air lines - simple plug-n-play -

    and you won't believe the price -
    $50.98 - FOR THE PAIR - YES - BOTH REAR SHOCKS - with free shipping -
    http://www.autopartstomorrow.com/par...5-rear-max-air

    so - "what's the catch" you ask -

    the "PASSIVE" shocks use a fixed valve that doesn't change -

    the "ACTIVE" rear shocks use an electronically adjusted valve
    that can change how the shock works -
    it can go from a soft ride - to a very stiff ride -
    in the fraction of a second -

    the computer receives all sorts of input from a gazallion sensors -
    speed - direction - braking - accelerating - etc -
    analyzes that input - and changes the shocks -

    IF you really drive the car in a "spirited" manor -
    you might feel the difference between
    an "ACTIVE" and a "PASSIVE" suspension -

    SOME of the members will tell you
    if you don't replace with the "active" shocks -
    you no longer have a DTS - yadda - yadda - yadda -

    I say - if you don't "drive on the edge" -
    you'll never know the difference -

    for a NON car guy like myself, that was a fantastic explaination.

    as i mentioned before, my caddy dts is in the shop getting her last GMPP warranty fix.
    the new ELC going in.....will my dts will automatically 'level out' if i put the cheap shocks in?

    the reason i need new shocks is that the air on the shocks, or whatever, is leaking - thus the ELC failed.
    it will only be a matter of time before the ELC works too hard and breaks if i dont fix the shocks.
    PLUS with my 2 12's in the trunk, the back of the car sags.


    as far as putting the shocks in, how easy is it?
    ive never done anything like this before.
    how long does it take?
    my buddy is a mechanic and i think he doesnt want to help me out, he says it will take 2 hours and a lot of labor.
    tell me he is lying!

    as far as my riding style. i just cruise.
    i rarely drive aggressively and usually coast to a smooth 85-90 on the highway.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    AND if you replace them with the passive Monroes you will have a "Service Suspension - Speed Limited To 90" message on the dash board. I believe it can be defeated with some resistors in the wiring.
    would the speed actually cut off @ 90mph or is it just a warning liek if i have low tire pressure......i can just scroll thru it and not see it again until i turn the car off/on???

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonRSD
    will my dts will automatically 'level out' if i put the cheap shocks in?
    If nothing else is wrong with the system, any ELC compatible shock will work. They don't have to be active, CVRSS has nothing to do with the ELC system.

    as far as putting the shocks in, how easy is it?
    ive never done anything like this before.
    how long does it take?
    my buddy is a mechanic and i think he doesnt want to help me out, he says it will take 2 hours and a lot of labor.
    tell me he is lying!
    He's lying. It's an hour job to replace both. There's barely any labor involved at all. Jack the car up, remove the rear wheels, open the trunk, move the trunk lining out of the way. Each shock is held on with ONE bolt and ONE nut. Disconnecting the air line takes about 5 seconds.

    as far as my riding style. i just cruise.
    i rarely drive aggressively and usually coast to a smooth 85-90 on the highway.
    You should have gotten a base or DHS.

    the speed actually cut off @ 90mph or is it just a warning liek if i have low tire pressure......i can just scroll thru it and not see it again until i turn the car off/on???
    The speed is physically limited. You'd have to install resistors to "trick" the computers.

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    If nothing else is wrong with the system, any ELC compatible shock will work. They don't have to be active, CVRSS has nothing to do with the ELC system.

    He's lying. It's an hour job to replace both. There's barely any labor involved at all. Jack the car up, remove the rear wheels, open the trunk, move the trunk lining out of the way. Each shock is held on with ONE bolt and ONE nut. Disconnecting the air line takes about 5 seconds.

    You should have gotten a base or DHS.

    The speed is physically limited. You'd have to install resistors to "trick" the computers.
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    ---------MC sums things up pretty well -
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    for a NON car guy like myself, that was a fantastic explaination.
    thanks - I try -

    will my dts will automatically 'level out' if i put the cheap shocks in?
    YES -
    but don't confuse a quality low-cost Monroe shock with cheap shocks -

    PLUS with my 2 12's in the trunk, the back of the car sags.

    without the air shocks - the rear of your car WILL sag -
    even if the trunk was empty -

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by DonRSD View Post
    My Caddy is at the dealership under a GMPP plan (it expires this week).
    Anyway, I am gettinga bunch of things fixed, uncluding a new ELC for the rear sag on my car - but my rear shocks are leaking, per the dealer.

    How much do rear shocks cost for a 2002 Deville DTS?
    The dealership told me about $700-800 and I just laughed at him.

    Any help or suggestion!??
    Does that GMPP plan pay for all parts and labor? If it does, have them put in what is supposed to be there which is active shocks like the Monroe 40029 and 40030. However, since it's the dealership, they will probably put in the AC Delco's which are actually Gabriel brand shocks. It'll still be better than shocks that leak.

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    Re: 2002 Deville DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by basscatt View Post
    SOME of the members will tell you
    if you don't replace with the "active" shocks -
    you no longer have a DTS - yadda - yadda - yadda -

    I say - if you don't "drive on the edge" -
    you'll never know the difference -
    I agree with this statement, since there is more to a DTS than just active rear shocks, such as a 300hp engine, floor shifter, 17" wheels & tires and a CVRSS suspension. Also, if you still have the original active front struts, the car will still handle better than if it didn't have it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Beauty DTS
    will probably put in the AC Delco's which are actually Gabriel brand shocks.
    The passive Ac-Delco replacement shocks are re-badged Gabriels, active replacements are not.

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    He's lying. It's an hour job to replace both. There's barely any labor involved at all. Jack the car up, remove the rear wheels, open the trunk, move the trunk lining out of the way. Each shock is held on with ONE bolt and ONE nut. Disconnecting the air line takes about 5 seconds.
    I may just do it myself.

    You should have gotten a base or DHS.
    no way. i wanted the top of the line model. plus i like the shifter & middle console.

    The speed is physically limited. You'd have to install resistors to "trick" the computers.
    \

    where do i put the resistors? youre talking chinese to me

    Quote Originally Posted by basscatt View Post
    will my dts will automatically 'level out' if i put the cheap shocks in?
    YES -
    but don't confuse a quality low-cost Monroe shock with cheap shocks -


    So what am I really losing by going with the 'cheaper shocks' (60/pair) vs the $700/pair rear shocks?

    PLUS with my 2 12's in the trunk, the back of the car sags.
    without the air shocks - the rear of your car WILL sag -
    even if the trunk was empty -
    As of right before I took my car into the shop, the rear sagged with 2 12's in the trunk. A little sag with no speakers in the trunk.
    Are you saying that even with new shocks that the rear will sag?
    Isn't the ELC supposed to 'pick up the sag'??

    I'm just debating is it worth it to get the cheaper shocks and call it a day or spend a LOT more $$$ and get the expensive shocks.
    I still don't understand what exactly I will not have by going with the cheaper shocks

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Beauty DTS View Post
    Does that GMPP plan pay for all parts and labor? If it does, have them put in what is supposed to be there which is active shocks like the Monroe 40029 and 40030. However, since it's the dealership, they will probably put in the AC Delco's which are actually Gabriel brand shocks. It'll still be better than shocks that leak.
    The GMPP plan doesn't cover the shocks
    I'm thinking about calling Cadillac customer service and complaining.

    http://www.gmprotectionplan.com/coveragecomparison.html
    There is what's covered. Just click on an category and a drop down happens showing parts that are covered.

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    The DHS IS the top of the line model as is the DTS (MSRP was exactly the same for each model). One is performance oriented and the other is luxury oriented. I can fully understand the floor shift though. I converted mine to a floor shift.

    I've never done the resistor mod to fool the system when installing passive shocks. I think Arnott may have the kit.

    By installing the "cheaper" (passive) shocks you loose the "active" suspension that will react to road and driving conditions as opposed to just dampening the float when you hit a bump. That is one of the big differences between the DTS and the DHS.

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by DonRSD View Post
    I may just do it myself.
    no way. i wanted the top of the line model. plus i like the shifter & middle console.
    where do i put the resistors? youre talking chinese to me
    So what am I really losing by going with the 'cheaper shocks' (60/pair) vs the $700/pair rear shocks?

    As of right before I took my car into the shop, the rear sagged with 2 12's in the trunk. A little sag with no speakers in the trunk.
    Are you saying that even with new shocks that the rear will sag?
    Isn't the ELC supposed to 'pick up the sag'??

    I'm just debating is it worth it to get the cheaper shocks and call it a day or spend a LOT more $$$ and get the expensive shocks.
    I still don't understand what exactly I will not have by going with the cheaper shocks

    The GMPP plan doesn't cover the shocks
    I'm thinking about calling Cadillac customer service and complaining.

    http://www.gmprotectionplan.com/coveragecomparison.html
    There is what's covered. Just click on an category and a drop down happens showing parts that are covered.
    \--------------------------------
    Are you saying that even with new shocks that the rear will sag?
    NO - what I said was WITHOUT air shocks -
    the rear end will sag with nothing in the trunk -

    Isn't the ELC supposed to 'pick up the sag'??
    that is EXACTLY what the ELC does -

    with a properly functioning ELC system - and good air shocks -
    the rear of the car will stay at the predetermined ride height -
    whether the car is completely empty -
    or if it has 5 people in it and an 800 pound gorilla in the trunk -

    is it worth it to get the cheaper shocks and call it a day or
    spend a LOT more $$$ and get the expensive shocks.

    you have to make that call yourself -
    but think of it this way -

    if you install the passive shocks - they will cost you $50 for the pair -
    plus the labor to install them -

    if you don't like them - replace them with the active ones -
    all you are out is $50 plus the labor -
    and you could probably re-sell the shocks and recoup most of your $50 -

    I still don't understand what exactly I will not have
    by going with the cheaper shocks

    the DTS came with ACTIVE SUSPENSION -
    that means each of the 2 struts in the front -
    and each of the 2 shocks in the rear -
    can be "fine-tuned" in a fraction of a second -

    the internal valve that controls how stiff - or how soft the shock is -
    is constantly being adjusted by the computer -
    depending on the input of the gazillion sensors built into the car -

    one example would be a really hard right-hand turn -
    at lets say 45 miles-per-hour -

    the ACTIVE suspension detects your move - so - for the best possible handling -
    the computer "stiffens up" the left front strut and left rear shock -
    so the car doesn't lean as much - in this extreme maneuver -

    the PASSIVE struts and shocks use a FIXED valve -
    that has been designed to give a softer - more comfortable ride -
    yet firm enough to give acceptable handling -

    bottom line -
    the ACTIVE suspension of the DTS is designed for extreme handling -
    it could handle a really hard - fast corner BETTER -
    than the PASSIVE suspension -

    but the passive suspension offers a more comfortable ride -

    so - your driving habits will determine the type of suspension you need -

    if you drive "on the edge" -
    you will benefit from the ACTIVE suspension -

    if you drive "normal" -
    you will NEVER notice the difference - except in your wallet -

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    Quote Originally Posted by basscatt View Post
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    Are you saying that even with new shocks that the rear will sag?
    NO - what I said was WITHOUT air shocks -
    the rear end will sag with nothing in the trunk -

    Isn't the ELC supposed to 'pick up the sag'??
    that is EXACTLY what the ELC does -

    with a properly functioning ELC system - and good air shocks -
    the rear of the car will stay at the predetermined ride height -
    whether the car is completely empty -
    or if it has 5 people in it and an 800 pound gorilla in the trunk -

    is it worth it to get the cheaper shocks and call it a day or
    spend a LOT more $$$ and get the expensive shocks.

    you have to make that call yourself -
    but think of it this way -

    if you install the passive shocks - they will cost you $50 for the pair -
    plus the labor to install them -

    if you don't like them - replace them with the active ones -
    all you are out is $50 plus the labor -
    and you could probably re-sell the shocks and recoup most of your $50 -

    I still don't understand what exactly I will not have
    by going with the cheaper shocks

    the DTS came with ACTIVE SUSPENSION -
    that means each of the 2 struts in the front -
    and each of the 2 shocks in the rear -
    can be "fine-tuned" in a fraction of a second -

    the internal valve that controls how stiff - or how soft the shock is -
    is constantly being adjusted by the computer -
    depending on the input of the gazillion sensors built into the car -

    one example would be a really hard right-hand turn -
    at lets say 45 miles-per-hour -

    the ACTIVE suspension detects your move - so - for the best possible handling -
    the computer "stiffens up" the left front strut and left rear shock -
    so the car doesn't lean as much - in this extreme maneuver -

    the PASSIVE struts and shocks use a FIXED valve -
    that has been designed to give a softer - more comfortable ride -
    yet firm enough to give acceptable handling -

    bottom line -
    the ACTIVE suspension of the DTS is designed for extreme handling -
    it could handle a really hard - fast corner BETTER -
    than the PASSIVE suspension -

    but the passive suspension offers a more comfortable ride -

    so - your driving habits will determine the type of suspension you need -

    if you drive "on the edge" -
    you will benefit from the ACTIVE suspension -

    if you drive "normal" -
    you will NEVER notice the difference - except in your wallet -
    Your explainations are fantastic!

    1st off, THANK YOU AGAIN for the clear response.

    I'm leaning towards the passive shocks, but the rear sag has me a little worried.
    I understand what you're saying with it only being $50 or so out of pocket, but the sag in the back looks pathetic with my 2 12's in the trunk.

    The ELC won't pick the car up of there is any sag?
    I assume NOT since the car wouldn't have air shocks. Basically I would have a new ELC installed and never use it, if I installed the passive shocks, correct?

    What if I go to the junkyard, find a DTS and just get the air shocks off of that for say $50 each.....whoudlthat be worth it?
    Does every DTS air shock from 2000-2005 fit my 2002 DTS?

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    Re: 2002 DTS rear shocks $$$

    there will be no sag if you get ELC compatible shocks ... either passive or active

    the third option would be standard (non-ELC) shocks which cost about the same as the passive ELC shocks basscat is recommending

    nobody is recommending you go with non-ELC shocks - and that is the only way you will end up with sag
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