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Old 07-19-08, 05:26 AM
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ok my 97 deville is running ok i got a list of codes
p0741-tcc stuck off---current
the rest are history:
p1520-trans range
p1599-engine near stall

tcs codes
c1232 left front wheel speed circuit open or shorted
c1242 pump motor circuit
c1243 bpmv pump motor stalled
c1255 ebcm internal malfunction

now the lights are abs, traction control, and service engine from the p0741 <-- understand that one got a quote at six hundred to fix that

as far as what i feel when i drive in the 41 - 58 mph when merging on the expressway or going up a hill is when the SES light will come on <-- again not worried I just wanted to state that before someone ask me

also for the ride i cant get the air ride compressor to turn on. like many other people when my shocks first began to have problems i did not do anything for a while and eventually the compressor stopped coming on. now i have since replaced the shocks in the rear with arnott replacements but still no air to them. i bought another compressor to check if the compressor was out and i just disconected the power off the car's compressor and connected the new one and nothing so then i jumped on the trunk to try and lower the suspension and still nothing

i have been thru the forums noticed some threads about a relay but maybe im slow because i cant find it. also i found the four inch black bar that i believe is associated with the leveling system and it is in the rear wheel well behind the drivers seat

please help me turn on the leveling system i got wheels on there and it cant be good for my rubber with it bouncing on there

also im over heating i believe. i know you say that a lil bit above 224 is okay but when i get that hot at idle my oil light flashes and if it is a really prolonged amount of time the oil light will stay on and the only way to get it off is to hit the gas and if i dont hit the gas it eventually will tell me to "TURN ENGINE OFF NOW" and start beeping like the key is left in the ignition when the door is off.

MY OUTSIDE TEMP READS 127 DEGREES AND GETS STUCK

I HAVE BEEN SMELLING REALLY STRONG FUMES OF GAS (I HAVE NOT HAD THE RECALL DONE JUST FOUND THAT ON HERE TODAY)
HELP ME WITH ANYONE YOU CAN OR ALL

ALSO my passenger side window cannot be raised with the drivers controls only lowered

ANYTHING ELSE I THINK OF I WILL CONTINUE TO POST
THANKS AHEAD OF TIME
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Old 07-19-08, 05:30 AM
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Re: my poor 97 deville

this is my first post also so i dont know how the responses work so if possible send me a msg too thanks
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Re: my poor 97 deville

How many miles on the car? You have an interesting collection of problems here. Before dealing with any of the others I'd start with solving the overheating problem. That can be anything from a $15 thermostat to $3500 head gaskets and a whole lot in between; water pump radiator, etc. Check your water pump belt and tensioner, coolant level in the surge tank, and pressure test the cooling system. Does the car discharge coolant when it overheats? You absolutely should get the temperature under control before you put another dime into the car. If you are running hot enough to get those warnings you can potentially cause very serioous problems and damage to the engine.
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yeah im not getting rid of the car at all and i will pay to have it fixed. but i dont beilieve its leaking coolant when it heats up the oil light just comes on and i believe that it might be losing pressure when its hot and idling. also i got the viper alarm on there with the automatic start, i got a heavy set of 22s on it and a oil leak but i cant spot where it comes from. BUT THE MAIN THING IM WORRIED ABOUT IS THE RIDE HEIGHT I CANT GET THE DAMN THING TO LIFT UP!
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Re: my poor 97 deville

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yeah im not getting rid of the car at all and i will pay to have it fixed. but i dont beilieve its leaking coolant when it heats up the oil light just comes on and i believe that it might be losing pressure when its hot and idling. also i got the viper alarm on there with the automatic start, i got a heavy set of 22s on it and a oil leak but i cant spot where it comes from. BUT THE MAIN THING IM WORRIED ABOUT IS THE RIDE HEIGHT I CANT GET THE DAMN THING TO LIFT UP!

I`m with chubbyranger on getting the overheating problem resolved first.As far as the ride height---have you ever considered "passive shocks"---it will eliminate the need the air ride compressor completely.I had passives installed on all four corners last year and the ride height is perfect.
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Re: my poor 97 deville

You could probably buy another deville for the amount of money it will cost to fix the one youve got now.

Have the cooling system pressure tested, its cheap and will show any external leaks, if that turns up nothing you are looking at either a water pump, clogged purge line, or possibly a headgasket.

You can replace the entire suspension with an arnott industries setup.

The abs/traction control light is a wheel speed sensor, to fix it you have to replace the entire hub assembly.
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those 22 inch truck wheels probably ruined your levleing system and will definately make the transmission go out soon. You should try to get what ever if anything for it because with all those problems will cost 2 times what the same good running car will cost. Look for a commercial that says they wil take any car you drag in for a down payment and dump it on them. Head gaskeats alone will total a good car out alone with those wheels make it a car nobody else will want. People do not understand if you personalize a car into a DONK only someone who is way out eft field will want it or maybe someone on crack or a drunk. Take what ever you can get even if it is 100.00
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Once you spin a bearing from low oil pressure the level ride fix is easy. Stick two blocks of wood under the rear end while its permanently parked and it will be perfectly level.

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those 22 inch truck wheels probably ruined your levleing system and will definately make the transmission go out soon. You should try to get what ever if anything for it because with all those problems will cost 2 times what the same good running car will cost. Look for a commercial that says they wil take any car you drag in for a down payment and dump it on them. Head gaskeats alone will total a good car out alone with those wheels make it a car nobody else will want. People do not understand if you personalize a car into a DONK only someone who is way out eft field will want it or maybe someone on crack or a drunk. Take what ever you can get even if it is 100.00
now i didnt turn it into a DONK the 2's are new at least last year new, I dont drive the car much. before that i had some regular factory wheels with vouge tyres on it. i went with the arnott replacements for the leveling last year before i put the 2's on and yall keep missing the point im not ditching the car it was my father's and i drive it just to make me feel better since he passed away NOTE the screen name POPS97deville
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Once you spin a bearing from low oil pressure the level ride fix is easy. Stick two blocks of wood under the rear end while its permanently parked and it will be perfectly level.
for this oil pressure thing i can't solve it i took it to the dealer they were acting slow because it only happens after a long while of driving say hr or more of driving then stop and go, but now its crazy because the wednesday after the last post i told my mother to take the car to the dealer ship for the fuel rail replacement she got to acting lazy and forgetful while i was away a school and the the rail exploded on her while she was driving
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You could probably buy another deville for the amount of money it will cost to fix the one youve got now.

Have the cooling system pressure tested, its cheap and will show any external leaks, if that turns up nothing you are looking at either a water pump, clogged purge line, or possibly a headgasket.

You can replace the entire suspension with an arnott industries setup.

The abs/traction control light is a wheel speed sensor, to fix it you have to replace the entire hub assembly.

i replaced the hub assembly in fact i got another new one in the garage right now. im just starting to think some of these wires a frayed and that is the problem
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How many miles on the car? You have an interesting collection of problems here. Before dealing with any of the others I'd start with solving the overheating problem. That can be anything from a $15 thermostat to $3500 head gaskets and a whole lot in between; water pump radiator, etc. Check your water pump belt and tensioner, coolant level in the surge tank, and pressure test the cooling system. Does the car discharge coolant when it overheats? You absolutely should get the temperature under control before you put another dime into the car. If you are running hot enough to get those warnings you can potentially cause very serioous problems and damage to the engine.
before i replaced the head gaskets i would just get a rebuilt motor i think they are running like $3800 which is what i am planning on doing next year anyway i just want the car level for now to short trips
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Once you spin a bearing from low oil pressure the level ride fix is easy. Stick two blocks of wood under the rear end while its permanently parked and it will be perfectly level.
also i thought the car was still in normal temperature range since it was less than 240 degrees i have yet to top 227 but honestly since i just got it back from the dealer that oil pressure light has been coming on like crazy. it didn't use to come on at all until the car was really hot like 222 or more but now im driving short distances like 20-30 mins of driving stop and go and the car is hitting like 210 and that pressure light is coming on and im slow i just put it together that that is when the car leaks oil
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Re: my poor 97 deville

Pops - just for the archives here's my reply to your PM on level ride compressor not coming on:

Keep in mind I don't have your generation Deville but I have dealt with level ride before. First, pull trouble codes to see if anything associated with level ride comes up. I think the thing you describe is the level ride switch. If you want to test your new compressor you are using the wrong procedure from what you said here. Plug in the new compressor. Take the car off jacks and put it on the ground. Open the trunk and sit on the rear lip of the trunk opening, pick your feet up off the ground to your full weight is on the trunk. Wait ~20-30 seconds - do not bounce up and down. The level ride has to differentiate between bumps and load changes so it does not react quickly. If the compressor does not light off, check the electrical connections on the switch you describe below. If you are anywhere that salt is used they could be corroded. The switch may also be bad, used an ohmmeter or test light to test it, but you will need a wiring diagram. Good luck and keep me posted.
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