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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    99classillac,I used the clay bar for the first time a coupla weeks ago,it does a great job,I was afraid of it too, once you use it you will realize that theres no
    chance of harming your paint job,the nearest way to explain the clay bar itself is that it's like a piece of hard silly putty,that will stretch and pull,
    you simply lube the area you are claying (solution of car wash soap and water) use a spray bottle or dip in pail of the solution,you only use very
    light pressure,there is no fear what so ever that you will harm your finish,
    I would say it's less abrasive than some paint renovater liquids.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    How many people have tried Gary's products and still use something else. I'm not trying to start a war I just want to know. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to speak in public.

    I'm just trying to gather information on the real deal.

    It seems like Zaino, Meguiars and Perfect Auto Finish are the choices here.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    403HP,it looks like there is a product called zanio,I didn't know there was until your typo.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    No I think it is a typo and I think others are doing the same typo. Look at some of the things you found. Can you show me a Zanio product?

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    codewize,if I was better on computer I would transfer zanio website to you,
    just type "zanio car polish" in your search box.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    Quote Originally Posted by cadillacdrvr8692 View Post
    Well I myself have once had this question...and my conclusion DO NOT USE TURTLE WAX!!!!!!!it looked really nice on my 92 sedan until about the third day i started to notice a funny looking "film" on the paint...didnt look like wax to me, but anyway my paint started coming off IN CHUNKS!!So my point is I feel it is just a bad wax(took about 2 1/2 hours)
    Sounds like you already had paint problems and that was going to happen no matter what. Wax can't make paint come off like that and turtle wax is harmless.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    I use Griot's Garage products myself and they work very well. They also sell buffers which will not "burn" the paint. I just found out what number Porter Cable buffer they get and went to Lowe's and picked up 2. So I have 1 for apllying and 1 for removal.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    The only problem I had with Turtle Wax was years ago I waxed a car and couldn't get the wax off. It took me hours of back breaking buffing to get the crap off the car.

    Similar to my recent experience with the new Eagle 1 Nanowax. Nanowax was not nearly as bad.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    Here is an article I wrote on how to clay, save it for future reference. Gary

    Basics - Using a "Clay Bar"
    Since the use of clay bar is one of most essential steps in car care, I thought it would be appropiate to post the "How to" of using clay.
    Everyone wants to keep their Car in top condition, but if you drive it everyday, like most of us it is subjected to all kinds of contaminants.

    Biggest complaint I've heard is "how to get out surface scratches". First lets talk about how they got there. Most of time its from improper washing/drying. When the car is not prepped properly, all you do is work existing dirt into the finish. (this is called Micro Marring)

    The clay bar is the best solution to ensure proper cleaning BEFORE you polish/seal. Most people never heard of clay, and if they have they don't know how to use it. After you wash your car as I normally do, feel it with your hand.

    A simple test is to put your hand in a plastic baggie and gently move across the finish, (The plastic magnifies the senses in your skin 15 times that of bare flesh so you will notice things through the plastic you never before felt.) if it grabs a little, or feels rough, you have fine particles of dirt that you did not remove during the washing stage. HOW TO USE CLAY. First get yourself a fresh bucket of soapy water. break off a small piece of clay in your hand, (clay works best with lots of lubrication) lather a small section of your car, dip the clay on the water, spray the clay with quick detail spray, gently work the clay in a side to side motion. (don't press to hard, it works well with gentle pressure)

    After 4-4 strokes, spray again, lather, and do another section. Keep dipping clay in the bucket, keep spraying with QD, work side to side. You will see (and feel) the finish getting cleaner, your hand will start to get the hang of it (if the surface gums up, it is not lubricated enough).

    Once you get it down, its easy. The key is lubrication, gentle side to side motion. also, after a few sections, press the clay in your hand in and out, making a fresh surface. It looks and feels like play dough, so you can make a new surface by working it.

    One piece will do the whole car. IF YOU DROP THE CLAY THROW IT OUT, USE A NEW PIECE! It will pick up dirt from the ground and become a hazard, working like sandpaper. after you do the whole car, wash car again to remove clay residue, dry with large waffle weave micro fiber towel. Follow up with a paint cleaner and sealant. Your finish will be show car ready. Gary


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    Why do you clay a new car? Because when your car is shipped from the factory it attracks rail dust. Occurs when the friction between the steel train tracks rubs agains the steel wheels it creates hot metal fibers that stick to your finish.

    Here is a simple test to see if you need to clay. Wash and dry your car. Get a plastic zip lock baggie. Put your hand in it and touch your finish - don't worry it won't hurt it. Now rub your hand gently around, if you feel bumps, roughness like fine sandpaper, that is the grit on your car you never noticed. Clay will remove that.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    Excellent article. Thanks Gary.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    Codewise, you wanted to know who has used Gary's products and never looked back?

    Moi.

    Multi-decade user of just about anything and everything that was purported to make a shiny surface shinier. It all began with SIMONIZE on my Dad's '53 Buick when I was just a shaver and ended with MEGUIARS brand of products - and just about every level of MEGUIARS ridiculous regimen was applied by me at some point to my cars.

    In fact, if I was writing this a year ago, I would be telling you that MEGUIARS is the only way to go for a professional finish. I was THAT sold on their line.

    This past Spring I pulled the trigger and went with Gary's products for the paint. And have never looked back.

    I've never used ZAINO, but have heard it is also good stuff. Regardless, I see no reason to try it, as I am happy to stick with Gary's.

    It is easy to put on, easier to buff up, gives an arm-deep shine and lasts. What more could you ask for?

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    I'm watching the thread. Thank you for your feedback. I'm up in the air but I'm willing to try

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    I ordered some of Gary's products yesterday. I plan on treating my car over Labor Day. I'll post my results.

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    Re: hand wax or buffer?

    I couldn't wait. I just ordered some of Gary's products also. I will also post my results.

    I can't wait to get them.
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