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Who is looking at peak hp. First off Sustained torque over the RPM range is what causes acceleration. Torque is a force, HP is a fomula. My point was that AWD cars will lose eveytime to a RWD car from a roll. I also think the analogy of my V being of about equal hp and weight to an RS4, with the RS4 having a technically superior engine and drive train, yet still losing to me from a roll was pretty good support for that.
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If you think for one moment that from a 10mph roll a CTS-V and its 500+lb-ft of torque and RWD isn't going to have traction problems, you're nuts. The GT-R will dead hook and the CTS-V will have to feather the throttle....allowing the GT-R to get a big head start. Not to mention the GT-R will not get caught, especially as speeds increase into the 130+mph range, and the GT-R's sleek .27 Drag Coefficient help out.....not to mention GM's cars tend to peter out after 4th gear since 5th gear is historically geared like a 1st overdrive.
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Well seeing as nobody knows how the new electronic diff or performance traction management for the v2 works yet you may well be right, but seeing as they were designed with the ZR1 having to hook up that beast of an LS9, I am guessing it will be a none issue. I am still betting the that the 60-160 times on the V2 will be shocking
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A couple grand? Cam alone with parts and install is going to be almost a couple grand. The bolt ons/mods you'd need to make 650rwhp would easily be $5,000, between headers/intake/exhaust/tune/pulley/cam etc. I'm also going to tell you there's no way the LSA motor is going to reliably handle 650rwhp with the hyper-pathetic pistons it comes with. You underestimate the cost and the motor's ability to handle this power. The biggest point I was trying to make is that the motor of the GT-R is built to handle more serious power upgrades without having to worry about the motor grenading.
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5 large is a bit of a stretch for those LSx mods pal, but even assuming so, do you really think any mods for the GTR, to bring it to the same level of HP will be under that? I had more than 5 K in mods to bring my TT Z to 400+ whp) For the record I also had a 1970 GTO judge with a 406 Ponch big block, built with Hyper-U's that made 540 ft/lbs and regularly took a 250 shot of nitrous. Nothing wrong with hyper-u's with the right silica compound. Also what exactly are you basing this notion that the VR38 is indestructable? Are you privy to some secret clan of GTR owners who have modded theirs to those levels yet? All the board speculation is that the engine was designed to take up to 600hp(not whp) Show me one 1 GTR making 650whp right now(supposedly Amuse has tuned a GTR to an estimated 600 bhp, but they are having problems with it and are not offering mods to customers yet)? In fact without larger turbos, that motor will probably not make much more than 525 whp, simply based on the volume/cfm of air they can flow. They are sequencial turbos, intended to spool fast and get the air velocity going quickly, not make huge power. I am certain the first turbo upgrades for a GTR will be 7K + just for the snails, especially since the exhaust housing for the IHI turbos is part of the cast exhaust manifold( read-needs new manifolds to work with any other turbo). Let alone the price tuner shops are going to charge to work on one or offer parts. I really think everyone is basing the pontential of GTR on the reputation of godzilla's past. Most people forget that the 1000 whp RB motors probably cost 40K plus to build.
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You said more readily modded. A complete motor and blower swap doesn't sound to me like it's "readily modded." What mods are available on a GT-R? Boost controller would be an easy one, eventually once the tuning is cracked, and it will be, every car makers' tuning gets cracked eventually, a turbo swap will make huge power.
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Yes I said "readily modded" as in there are proven, relatively cheap mods "ready" and waiting right now waiting for the V2. Parts are available from a throttle body all the way to a complete hardcore big cube monster, TODAY. Unlike the minor mods avilable for a GTR right now. What kind of a clown are you that you think you can slap on a boost controller to the GTR and be done with it. "Tuners" like you are why Nissan locked down the ECU in the first place. Again, turbos alone will be 5K plus, nevermind the supporting mods, when and if they are available speculation boy.
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Just like Ford said no one would be able to do pulley swaps on their blown Mustangs.  It'll get cracked (the GT-R's ECU)
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I am not saying it won't be cracked( it sort of has been already by a few tuners, IE speed limiter) I am saying Nissan went out of their way to to keep people from doing it for a reason. Whether it's the bottom end or the tranny, they were protecting something.
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If you think the LSA isn't going to puke at that hp level you need to put the pipe down. You also don't know how much hp the DCT is rated at. The DCT in the Bugatti can obviously handle 1001hp without breaking a sweat.
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You are soooo right! And the Veyron only costs 1.7 million dollars and 500 million to develop. That's total support for the 70K GTR taking a gajillion torques thanks to it's new boost controller and downpipe. Then again, this IS the internet and anything is possible
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Gee, down pipes and boost controllers don't exist for GT-Rs?  There are many universal products on the market that can work...
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I certainly hope no one lets you near a GTR. Ever.
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In other words you're completely speculating and have no hard evidence for any of your claims.
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Yes sir. I am the new speculation king. Made it all up.
