Order your CTS-V below MSRP

[thebigjimsho]

Originally Posted by Katshot

I think you missed his point. As usual, you tend to jump to attack before thinking.
I believe all he was trying to point out was that most people seem to be settling in on the base price of the V2 when referring to the car's price. Possibly overlooking the probability that the base and loaded prices may be several thousand apart. Notice I said MAY be.
Then YOU post:
So a fully loaded V and a base V will be the same price? If there's 8 grand in options, what revelation did you just bestow upon us?
First of all, I'm totally lost by your first sentence. Doesn't make sense to me. He never said a base and loaded V2 would be the same price. Matter of fact, I think he was stating just the opposite.
Then your second sentence read as very condescending. Again, not atypical for you.

Still not getting it? Really, what's so difficult? You don't understand what's written and then you assume what's not. That's a deadly combination...

[pietroraimondi]

Interestingly enough; GM recently released their 2007 sales and production numbers for the Chevrolet Corvette which included the C6 Coupe, C6 Convertible and finally the Z06.

Collectively; a bit more than 70% of all units produced for sale were the 6 speed automatics with paddle shifters.

While the ZR1 with its manual transmission only is truly intended to be a "limited production" vehicle with just 2000 units a year slated for global sales; there is active talk at Chevrolet about introducing the automatic transmission option in the current LS7 based Z06.

[Katshot]

Originally Posted by pietroraimondi

Interestingly enough; GM recently released their 2007 sales and production numbers for the Chevrolet Corvette which included the C6 Coupe, C6 Convertible and finally the Z06.

Collectively; a bit more than 70% of all units produced for sale were the 6 speed automatics with paddle shifters.

While the ZR1 with its manual transmission only is truly intended to be a "limited production" vehicle with just 2000 units a year slated for global sales; there is active talk at Chevrolet about introducing the automatic transmission option in the current LS7 based Z06.

Not surprising. Wasn't it basically the same ratio (manual to auto) for many years, only to have the manual sales take a jump in the last few years? I seem to recall that automatics far outnumbered manual sales for a long time. I think it was only in the last few years that the trend changed slightly. I really always pegged the "Vette as an "image" car more than anything. IMO, the C5 changed that. And I think that's when the manual trans sales started jumping.

[Jpjr]

Originally Posted by Katshot

Not surprising. Wasn't it basically the same ratio (manual to auto) for many years, only to have the manual sales take a jump in the last few years? I seem to recall that automatics far outnumbered manual sales for a long time. I think it was only in the last few years that the trend changed slightly. I really always pegged the "Vette as an "image" car more than anything. IMO, the C5 changed that. And I think that's when the manual trans sales started jumping.

I could be wrong but my guess of what changed it was the original Z06 with only the manual option. At only $55k, it was a very small step up in cash for a large step up in performance and attracted a lot more interest than GM thought. (which is why they bumped to 405 hp from 385 hp but raised the price a lot more than 20 hp would require

The ZR1 is in outer space for your typical Vette buyer, unlike the C5 Z06, which means it will have very little impact on the auto/stick numbers. Even the C6 Z06 at 70k+ is correctly priced high enough to make the car exclusive.

The problem I am seeing is that this simply will not work for the new V. There is simply too much competition at the $70k price point. At that price you have at least a $10-15k band + or - that you can shop. I think at $62k out the door the performance advantage would make sense to a prospective BMW owner (at least don't price it higher than the M3!!), but not at $70k. The motor is great but power to weight is going to keep the car in line despite the horsepower advantage. Then it all comes down to fit and finish and while I can argue that the Caddy now leads, the reputation still lags.

Bottom line: This car will not outsell the old gen V if it is priced significantly higher than $60k.

[Katshot]

Yeah, like it or not, the domestic cars still have to be the "value leader" in their respective markets. Kind of sucks at times but that's the price you pay for dumping crap cars on the market for so many years I guess.

[caddycruiser]

Originally Posted by Katshot

Yeah, like it or not, the domestic cars still have to be the "value leader" in their respective markets. Kind of sucks at times but that's the price you pay for dumping crap cars on the market for so many years I guess.

Very, very true. It's still a big factor in even getting people to remotely consider some things...has to be a noticeable value aspect, at first, to get the bat of an eye. All due to the many, many years of crap.

Hopefully the CTS-V can sell on its merits, and do so strongly with a price that doesn't turn all but the biggest enthusiasts off.

Unlike, that is, the STS-V and XLR-V which are priced so high...the worthiness just doesn't click with people. If they'd do any better made by a German marque, etc. is up for debate, but they very well might.

I'll take on. Well, that is, if I hit a lotto of some kind in the next year

[Rich H]

Originally Posted by Jpjr

The ZR1 is in outer space for your typical Vette buyer, unlike the C5 Z06, which means it will have very little impact on the auto/stick numbers. Even the C6 Z06 at 70k+ is correctly priced high enough to make the car exclusive.

Speaking of outer space - MT says in the March 08 issue that a prospective ZR1 buyer may be required to have some form of competition driving experience under their belt or require driving school attendence before purchase. And I doubt you can blame that strictly on the manual tranny.

[wildwhl]

Originally Posted by StealthV

Is modability a word?

Not sure, but moody sure is. Case in point - your sig. I'm pretty f'in sure I called the replacement car, did I not? Tuned it yet? Also all the whining and bichin' going on around here - crap - this is worse than the freakin' flower car joint.

Thread jackoff

At $70K I'm out - way too much competition with dealers that give a shiat (in my neck of the woods, at least) at that level.

But we'll see - '10 and AWD are a ways out yet (and I still have 24 months left on the ElSux aka not one single problem with the car yet temp car).

WW out

[NormV]

Originally Posted by wildwhl

Not sure, but moody sure is...

WW hits one out of the park. Some of us hit new road in life when we realize it is not paved as nice as we thought it was.

Norm

[thebigjimsho]

Originally Posted by wildwhl

Not sure, but moody sure is. Case in point - your sig. I'm pretty f'in sure I called the replacement car, did I not? Tuned it yet? Also all the whining and bichin' going on around here - crap - this is worse than the freakin' flower car joint.

Thread jackoff

At $70K I'm out - way too much competition with dealers that give a shiat (in my neck of the woods, at least) at that level.

But we'll see - '10 and AWD are a ways out yet (and I still have 24 months left on the ElSux aka not one single problem with the car yet temp car).

WW out

Are you kidding? You are the king of moody. Your to get out or not threads were epic. Whatever balls you had have faded to Bolivian driving the Water Lily and the ElSux.

Good to see you again, WW.

[urbanski]

elsux?

[Cadillac Tony]

A quick check of some random message boards shows the response to the new CTS-V is incredible. Sure there's one or two "American cars suck" comments from the die-hard import drivers, but the majority of people are all blown away by the car. A few examples:

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Motor Trend Forums

MB World Forums

As I've said before, I'm a combination of amazed and saddened that the most negativity I've seen anywhere on the 'net toward the new CTS-V is here on the Cadillac Owners Forum. That says something, I just don't know what.

[StealthV]

Like WW, I'm waiting for the first year bugs to be worked out along with the 2-door and AWD. If GM doesn't built it, I'll just upgrade to an AWD 7-Series in a few years.

P.S. The Bimmer already has new wheels @ two days old. Mod hell continues...

[NormV]

I agree there is promise for the general. I guess allot depends on what were driving now. Most of us are in V's now and are content. For the price increase some will say that the losses in the end of getting a V2 or changing cars unless they are leased is just not justifiable for the gains.

Norm

Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony

A quick check of some random message boards shows the response to the new CTS-V is incredible. Sure there's one or two "American cars suck" comments from the die-hard import drivers, but the majority of people are all blown away by the car. A few examples:

AutoBlog

Motor Trend Forums

MB World Forums

As I've said before, I'm a combination of amazed and saddened that the most negativity I've seen anywhere on the 'net toward the new CTS-V is here on the Cadillac Owners Forum. That says something, I just don't know what.

[dqw1]

This is bad. I had a dream a couple of nights ago that my brother and I drove to Florida (Tony's) to pick my car, then I woke up realized I have to wait another year.