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02-19-08, 09:18 AM
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Sharp criticism of the Challenger StealthV.
I think it's tough to compare the Challenger to the V. Two completely different cars. It would be like comparing the V to a Mustang. I think the V will have it's audience but it will never approach the interest level of the Challenger. The V is simply more of a niche market car, and on a much higher plain.
I can only imagine what the interest level would be for the Challenger if it was going to offer a manual trans option from the start rather than in year two. Oh, and as for thinking that those SRT cars will be easy pickin's for V owners, I wouldn't be so sure. My guess is a whole lot of owners will be modding them right from the start. Something that will be a whole lot cheaper and easier than V owners will be facing. |
02-19-08, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Katshot  Sharp criticism of the Challenger StealthV.
I think it's tough to compare the Challenger to the V. Two completely different cars. It would be like comparing the V to a Mustang. I think the V will have it's audience but it will never approach the interest level of the Challenger. The V is simply more of a niche market car, and on a much higher plain.
I can only imagine what the interest level would be for the Challenger if it was going to offer a manual trans option from the start rather than in year two. Oh, and as for thinking that those SRT cars will be easy pickin's for V owners, I wouldn't be so sure. My guess is a whole lot of owners will be modding them right from the start. Something that will be a whole lot cheaper and easier than V owners will be facing. | A 2+2 weighing 4100lbs? If my non-moddable(according to you) V2 loses to a modified Challenger, then I'll spank it with my lightweight, modded V1...
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02-19-08, 10:16 AM
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I hope the V remains a secret. It's better that way.
And, I have no intention whatsoever of trying to compete with a person who drives a challenger or a Mustang - econmically, socially, or 0-60. |
02-19-08, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by thebigjimsho A 2+2 weighing 4100lbs? If my non-moddable(according to you) V2 loses to a modified Challenger, then I'll spank it with my lightweight, modded V1... | "non-moddable"?!
Try reading the friggin' post before you start typing the barbs. All I said was that I figured the Challenger would be cheaper and easier to mod. |
02-19-08, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Katshot "non-moddable"?!
Try reading the friggin' post before you start typing the barbs. All I said was that I figured the Challenger would be cheaper and easier to mod. | HAHAHAHAHAHA You're too easy sometimes. Scratch that...all the time... |
02-20-08, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Katshot Sharp criticism of the Challenger StealthV.
I think it's tough to compare the Challenger to the V. Two completely different cars. It would be like comparing the V to a Mustang. I think the V will have it's audience but it will never approach the interest level of the Challenger. The V is simply more of a niche market car, and on a much higher plain. | Kat - You're arguing on my side. Read my post and the one before it for context.  Quote:
Originally Posted by Katshot I can only imagine what the interest level would be for the Challenger if it was going to offer a manual trans option from the start rather than in year two. | Manual transmissions don't sell in America. That's a fact not an opinion. The initial lack of it in a Challenger won't affect sales. In fact the lack of a slushbox is probably the biggest reason why the V1 never sold well and continues to hurt it today on the used market. Quote:
Originally Posted by Katshot My guess is a whole lot of owners will be modding them right from the start. Something that will be a whole lot cheaper and easier than V owners will be facing. | Challengers will never be as cheap or easy to mod since they don't have the ten year history of factory and nearly infinite aftermarket parts and speed shops working with the Gen III/IV engines. Quote:
Originally Posted by Katshot Oh, and as for thinking that those SRT cars will be easy pickin's for V owners, I wouldn't be so sure. | It will take a seriously modded Challenger to keep up with a stock V2 or a well modified V1. Have you ever experienced a V1 that can't get traction below 100 mph? It *was* my daily driver.  |
02-20-08, 11:06 AM
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Lots more mods out there for the Chevy engines. But one nice big easy one exists for the 6.1L Hemi: a bolt-on supercharger kit for around $6K that'll put 500/500 to the rear wheels. Quote:
Originally Posted by StealthV Have you ever experienced a V1 that can't get traction below 100 mph? | Yeah, at 0 mph when I'm not careful.
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02-20-08, 02:54 PM
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I would take you up on this offer, but I have been working with a salesguy from Heritage Cadillac that is actually a decent guy. If he cant get me the one I want, I will definetly look you up. And a trip to Florida to pick it up and drive it home isnt too bad either.  |
02-20-08, 03:53 PM
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You know L5- I've had those same traction problems at 0 a few times. 
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02-21-08, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by StealthV Kat - You're arguing on my side. Read my post and the one before it for context.
Manual transmissions don't sell in America. That's a fact not an opinion. The initial lack of it in a Challenger won't affect sales. In fact the lack of a slushbox is probably the biggest reason why the V1 never sold well and continues to hurt it today on the used market.
Challengers will never be as cheap or easy to mod since they don't have the ten year history of factory and nearly infinite aftermarket parts and speed shops working with the Gen III/IV engines.
It will take a seriously modded Challenger to keep up with a stock V2 or a well modified V1. Have you ever experienced a V1 that can't get traction below 100 mph? It *was* my daily driver. | When I said I thought interest would be higher if they offered a manual trans option, I meant "in addition to" an automatic, not "rather than" an automatic. There ARE a decent amount of enthusiasts that will wait for the already promised manual trans.
As for the modability issue, I simply think the Challenger will be easier and cheaper to modify. V1 cars had off-the-shelf engines that already had great aftermarket support. V2 has an all-new engine, plus a ton of powertrain/chassis integrated programming that will probably create multiple roadblocks for tuners. Not to say that these challenges can't be overcome, they'll simply take a great deal of effort. And we all know that big R&D budgets aren't bestowed on niche market cars as readily as ones that have a broader market. Again, I'm not saying it can't be done, or won't be done, IMO, it simply won't be as cheap & easy. |
02-21-08, 12:58 PM
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There is no such thing as a non-moddable car. The boys in this forum will rip it apart on the first day. I'm pretty sure it was Silver Baron that ripped his apart right away and put a roll cage in and all kinds of other stuff to race it in Canada or something. I couldn't believe that he would do that to a brand new 2004 when they first came out. It will happen again. I hope everyone is as cool as the first time around.
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02-22-08, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jpjr We can justify it however we want, but the fact is that the interest level in the new Challenger is worlds above the interest level for the new V. Even from people who have no intention in buying either. There were literally people camped out to get on the order list a few months ago. Were talking about a $45k SRT with a $10k markup.... this is not far off from where the V will be priced.
I'm looking forward to MSRP. I could probably even wait and get a discount. | Who cares about interest level all that means is we are not getting ripped off by dealers. You guys thinking the new V is going to be 60k are in for a reality check. A Loaded CTS-V is going to be 70ish. |
02-22-08, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CadV Who cares about interest level all that means is we are not getting ripped off by dealers. You guys thinking the new V is going to be 60k are in for a reality check. A Loaded CTS-V is going to be 70ish. | I think you're probably right on that pricing, but GM does have some time to adjust actual pricing. |
02-22-08, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CadV Who cares about interest level all that means is we are not getting ripped off by dealers. You guys thinking the new V is going to be 60k are in for a reality check. A Loaded CTS-V is going to be 70ish. | So a fully loaded V and a base V will be the same price? If there's 8 grand in options, what revelation did you just bestow upon us? |
02-22-08, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thebigjimsho So a fully loaded V and a base V will be the same price? If there's 8 grand in options, what revelation did you just bestow upon us? | Not sure what you're picking at. I believe he's just stating that he believes a loaded V will be around $70K. Why so much hostility and attitude? | | Cadillac Discussion Tools | | | 
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