Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009+Forum specifically for discussions regarding the fastest v8 production sedan in the world - the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V with 556 horsepower.
You're right. But I'm kind of thinking that the car being FWD is what ultimately did it in. Still, to this day whenever I see one of the Gen. 1's or 2's, I get to thinking about picking one up again. My son ever tell you about the Super SHO he had a few years back? Great car but what a money-pit it was. VERY mixed feelings the day we sold it.
As for how certain transmissions can kill a car, how about the Lincoln LS? Or how about the upcoming Dodge Challenger? IMO, the lack of a manual trans on these cars was and will be a HUGE mistake.
My friends freaked when they found out I dropped $51 large on a CTS-V. Of course, they love the car but I had them thinking I was getting a 300C or G35.
Including the $14G purchase price of the SHO, I dropped about $50G on my '92 SHO over 10 years...it was super in my eyes. Maybe in the wrong way...
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Let me preface this answer by saying that this is TOTAL GUESSWORK on my part- GM has told me nothing about pricing, but I have come to this conclusion based on experience, logic and reading between the lines of what I was told at NAIAS.
I suspect a base MSRP of roughly $59,000, with several available options.
That pricing structure would make sense to me, and would put a fully loaded one in the $68-$69k range.
Please don't run and post this on 800 different forums, because this is not official, or even a rumor. It's my educated guess, and I could be totally wrong.
Well, I did forget to factor in the Gas Guzzler tax, so if my other guesses were correct that'd put the price around 71k. I could be way off on option prices and correct on total- who knows?
I know the $73k rumor is popular, but 6 months ago there was another popular rumor about an LS7 under the hood that even got printed in Motor Trend. We shall see....
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I was at the Chicago auto show this weekend and after asking 3 different caddy reps and one UAW guy I got price estimates from $53k-$75k.....noone knows how much its going to be, and for the few who do....they are not telling!
i spoke to the owner of a caddy dealership in northern california last week as i was buying a car for my wife. he said he has no problem with msrp, and says the early feedback from the cts buying base is that very few people that are interested in a cts will want to make the step up to the v. he says 400hp was pushing it, but the idea of 550hp simply does not appeal to most that want to drive the car. after thinking about it, i tend to agree with him. why would you want to pay 20k more for a gas guzzler? i think the v will have about the same appeal as the M5 to 5 series drivers, which is relatively little. bottom line he had no problem agreeing to sticker and fully expects to get one in november or december based upon his caddy sales.
says the early feedback from the cts buying base is that very few people that are interested in a cts will want to make the step up to the v. he says 400hp was pushing it, but the idea of 550hp simply does not appeal to most that want to drive the car. after thinking about it, i tend to agree with him. why would you want to pay 20k more for a gas guzzler?
They're not going after the CTS owners with this car, they're targeting AMG and M owners, and people who see the value in $20k more for a ridiculous level of performance in a 4 door.
Most people spending $60k+ on a car aren't too worried about the gas mileage it gets, either.
Yep, the first time around most of the guys I met are saw here who had Vs weren't Caddy loyalists. And there was some insane overpaying going on. I was fortunate to get MSRP. Obviously, an argument can be made about what a possible recession might do, but your northern California dealer is not a prophet...
They're not going after the CTS owners with this car, they're targeting AMG and M owners, and people who see the value in $20k more for a ridiculous level of performance in a 4 door.
Most people spending $60k+ on a car aren't too worried about the gas mileage it gets, either.
okay, that is like saying that chevy is not going after corvette owners with the zr1... a fair point but far from true. they are certainly going after cts owners as part of the broader appeal.. namely us.
the point is that when you could get a cts-v for low 50's the crossover potential from the base cts was much better than it will be now.
the other point is that the owner i spoke with owns a dodge dealer and currently has $10k markups on the challenger. he said the pre-orders have been insane. when comparing the new V to that car, he doesn't see nearly as much interest and does not plan on marking it up at all based on early demand. that was the main point actually.
Challengers exist so people between 50 and dead have something in their garage to rub with a diaper and take to car shows.
Seems to me a V is more of a luxurious daily driver that can also be thrashed on the roadcourse on weekends. And do a car show. And spank cars like Challengers with the owners being completely clueless as to what just did the spanking.
Current V6 CTS owners aren't the target; where the Tuetonic hotrod triplets play is the market.
Challengers exist so people between 50 and dead have something in their garage to rub with a diaper and take to car shows.
Seems to me a V is more of a luxurious daily driver that can also be thrashed on the roadcourse on weekends. And do a car show. And spank cars like Challengers with the owners being completely clueless as to what just did the spanking.
Current V6 CTS owners aren't the target; where the Tuetonic hotrod triplets play is the market.
We can justify it however we want, but the fact is that the interest level in the new Challenger is worlds above the interest level for the new V. Even from people who have no intention in buying either. There were literally people camped out to get on the order list a few months ago. Were talking about a $45k SRT with a $10k markup.... this is not far off from where the V will be priced.
I'm looking forward to MSRP. I could probably even wait and get a discount.
The Challenger is not only a nostalgic nameplate, but has also been on the cover of magazines on and off since 2006. The CTS-V is not a houselhold name yet, nor has it enjoyed any exposure until this month. Wait a few months and you'll see a quickly rising demand for these cars now that the word is getting out.
At the end of the day, the CTS-V is always going to be built and sold in far more exclusive numbers than a car like a Challenger or Mustang. What Dodge/Chrysler is doing has no impact on Cadillac, as the two cars couldn't be more worlds apart.
