Order your CTS-V below MSRP

[XLRvman]

Tony respectively, how can u guys accept orders since u cannot order till May and then my understanding is that they r buiding max of 4,000 CTSV's, there are 1400 caddy dealers whcih works out to 2.86 cars per dealer? So if u accept orders for more that 3 folks, will they ever c a car??
Snowed in with 10 inchs of snow in the Windy city!! Hope AWD is an option!!

[Cadillac Tony]

Unfortunately, AWD will not be an option in 2009.

Regarding the number of cars, not every Cadillac Dealer is qualified to order V-Series cars- you need to have a Certified Salesperson, Certified Technician and a special set of tools for working on the cars before Cadillac will even allow a Dealer to order the cars. At the time we order the car, we tell the system whether it is an order for stock, or a sold unit. If I take 5 deposits, I can get 5 cars.

Of course there's a limit - I couldn't get 40 of them - but within a reasonable amount, GM will give priority to sold orders over stock orders. They want the cars out on the road, so they'll obviously send more cars to the Dealer selling them as opposed to having them sitting on a lot somewhere.

[Katshot]

You think there's that many that will order for stock?

[Cadillac Tony]

With an automatic available now? Heck yes. We had TONS of people attracted to the 1st gen V just for the looks alone, who then got really excited when I started talking power and price, but then - whoops! Stick only? Sorry.

I expect CTS-V sales to be huge for Cadillac is 2009, as the manual only was a huge limiting factor. The STS-V was too big and soft to appeal to the crowd looking for a 4-door Corvette, but a lot of them need an auto.

[Katshot]

Kind of blows a hole in the idea that CTS-V owners are such "purists" huh?

[keithsm2]

what kind of price range are we talking??

[Cadillac Tony]

Originally Posted by Katshot

Kind of blows a hole in the idea that CTS-V owners are such "purists" huh?

Not at all- I would argue that 99% of current CTS-V owners are purists. The problem is that purists make up a small percentage of the market, and in order to be successful you need to have broad appeal. I think we would all agree that the Corvette is an amazing sports car and that there are some serious gearheads who own 'Vettes, so why do they offer an automatic 'Vette? Volume. It's simple business sense to make your product appealing to as many people as possible.

Originally Posted by keithsm2

what kind of price range are we talking??

Let me preface this answer by saying that this is TOTAL GUESSWORK on my part- GM has told me nothing about pricing, but I have come to this conclusion based on experience, logic and reading between the lines of what I was told at NAIAS.

I suspect a base MSRP of roughly $59,000, with several available options.

-Premium paint $995
-Polished Wheels $1,000
-Automatic $1,400
-Sunroof $1,000
-Performance package (Recaros, microfiber wheel, PTM and tuned shocks) $5,000

That pricing structure would make sense to me, and would put a fully loaded one in the $68-$69k range.

Please don't run and post this on 800 different forums, because this is not official, or even a rumor. It's my educated guess, and I could be totally wrong.

[Katshot]

I was trying to point out that if the manual ONLY was a "huge" limiting factor in CTS-V sales, then the idea of their owners being purists will come to an end next year. And realistically if there was such huge interest in auto trans optioned cars previously, then it follows that most likely, a large percentage of current owners are not REALLY purists but rather people who happen to be able to drive a stick but would rather have had an auto.

[Cadillac Tony]

Originally Posted by Katshot

I was trying to point out that if the manual ONLY was a "huge" limiting factor in CTS-V sales, then the idea of their owners being purists will come to an end next year. And realistically if there was such huge interest in auto trans optioned cars previously, then it follows that most likely, a large percentage of current owners are not REALLY purists but rather people who happen to be able to drive a stick but would rather have had an auto.

I think your logic is a little flawed there- I don't recall a single person who bought a CTS-V from me that wanted an auto but was willing to accept the manual. It's also kind of silly to suggest that choosing a standard shift is a prerequisite to be a "purist". There's plenty of accomplished racers and people who bleed performance that choose the F1 transmission in their Ferrari or the E-Gear in a Lamborghini.

Chances are that the enthusiasts will continue to buy the manual, but we'll see a new group of owners that are limited to an automatic due to either their daily commute or physical limitations. I'm sure there are plenty of purists out there with bad knees.

[thebigjimsho]

Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony

I think your logic is a little flawed there- I don't recall a single person who bought a CTS-V from me that wanted an auto but was willing to accept the manual. It's also kind of silly to suggest that choosing a standard shift is a prerequisite to be a "purist". There's plenty of accomplished racers and people who bleed performance that choose the F1 transmission in their Ferrari or the E-Gear in a Lamborghini.

Chances are that the enthusiasts will continue to buy the manual, but we'll see a new group of owners that are limited to an automatic due to either their daily commute or physical limitations. I'm sure there are plenty of purists out there with bad knees.

Just like the SHO. Watch how that car fared in its earlier years and then when they offered an auto...

Either way, I was an earlier, MTX only "purist"...

[ZEUSROTTY]

Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony

$1,000 on a credit card or check will guarantee an order out of our first shipment. We also do not install front plate brackets prior to delivery unless the customer requests it, so no worries about ugly holes in your new V's bumper.

We're still waiting on final confirmation from GM on how the option structure will be laid out, but I gathered the following from my discussion at NAIAS with the factory reps:

-Sunroof will either be optional or standard with a "delete" option for those that don't want it
-There will be a "Performance Package" option that will probably consist of the Recaros, tuned shocks and the Alcantara steering wheel
-Painted wheels will probably be standard, with polished as an option

my dealership took a 500 deposit for the same deal, but i really dont like them at all... will you take 500?

[Katshot]

Originally Posted by thebigjimsho

Just like the SHO. Watch how that car fared in its earlier years and then when they offered an auto...

Either way, I was an earlier, MTX only "purist"...

You're right. But I'm kind of thinking that the car being FWD is what ultimately did it in. Still, to this day whenever I see one of the Gen. 1's or 2's, I get to thinking about picking one up again. My son ever tell you about the Super SHO he had a few years back? Great car but what a money-pit it was. VERY mixed feelings the day we sold it.
As for how certain transmissions can kill a car, how about the Lincoln LS? Or how about the upcoming Dodge Challenger? IMO, the lack of a manual trans on these cars was and will be a HUGE mistake.

[Cadillac Tony]

Originally Posted by ZEUSROTTY

my dealership took a 500 deposit for the same deal, but i really dont like them at all... will you take 500?

I'd be happy to reserve one for you, but I would need $1,000.

Originally Posted by Katshot

As for how certain transmissions can kill a car, how about the Lincoln LS? Or how about the upcoming Dodge Challenger? IMO, the lack of a manual trans on these cars was and will be a HUGE mistake.

We also own a Lincoln Dealership, and the few manual LSs that they got in became permanent fixtures- if I recall correctly, it took until 2002 to get rid their last 2000 with a stick.

The large majority of people doesn't care about a car being automatic- in fact, most prefer it. Us folks posting on internet forums and talking about modding a car that won't even be released for 9 months are the hardcore enthusiasts, and we represent a tiny portion of the market. Like I said before, take a look at the sales mix for automatics vs. manuals in Ferraris and Lamborghinis- it's something like 90/10 IIRC.

The first gen CTS-V proved that magazine writers and hardcore drivers want a manual, but the bulk of the buying public does not. As long as they continue to offer the choice between stick or auto, having the auto will not hurt the image of the CTS-V, only increase the sales.

[CVP33]

Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony

I suspect a base MSRP of roughly $59,000, with several available options.

-Premium paint $995
-Polished Wheels $1,000
-Automatic $1,400
-Sunroof $1,000
-Performance package (Recaros, microfiber wheel, PTM and tuned shocks) $5,000

That pricing structure would make sense to me, and would put a fully loaded one in the $68-$69k range.

Here's my post from January 20th. We come to the same conclusion, just a little difference in how we get there.

$60,000 - Base MSRP
$745 - Destination
$1,000 - Sunroof
$1,900 - 6 speed Automatic w/ paddle shift (same charge in the CTS)
$2,000 - Performance Package = Recaro Seats, Performance Traction Management (already listed as optional and not standard)
$995 - Some goofy ass paint - $1,000 (thunder gray, crystal red already upcharges on the current CTS)
$2,000 - Guzzler Tax

Sunroof seems like a no-brainer as some "purists" will want a solid body, so it must be an option. The automatic will be the same charge as the base CTS. We know the recaro seats are optional, but some may have missed that the "Performance Traction Management is in fact an option and not standard. My guess is this will be grouped with the seats to justify a $2,000 upcharge. The special paint codes are already available on the base CTS, again a no-brainer. So all told:

Base = $62,745
Fully loaded = $68,640

[thebigjimsho]

What is this? The Prattin' Price is Right?