Anyone 100% buying the day they arrive?

[Florian]

Im waiting for the V coupe.


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[CVP33]

My two local Caddy dealers told me they'd be happy to honor GMS pricing in 2011. By then I'll have flown out to Cleveland to buy one.

[Cadillac Tony]

Originally Posted by Katshot

Hate to say it but anyone with a brain should be waiting. GM (like many other OEMs) has certainly proved over the years that buying early production of any new car is only rewarded with the lion's share of unresolved issues.

Originally Posted by Jon

My '04 is perfect. I'm still on my original diff.

Originally Posted by Katshot

Congratulations!
What's that got to do with my post?

I think Jon was pointing out that very few of us regret buying the first year of a hot model. The few small teething pains my 04 V had have been far outweighed by the pleasure of driving it every day during the time when no one knew what a V was yet. The same goes for the '08 owners- I'll bet they really enjoy pulling up in the Motor Trend Car of the Year and having people recognize it from the commercials.

I suppose you can count me, all my happy '04 owners and a large number of people here on the forum brainless.

[CadV]

Originally Posted by CVP33

My two local Caddy dealers told me they'd be happy to honor GMS pricing in 2011. By then I'll have flown out to Cleveland to buy one.

I will only pay GMS for one. I have until Jan before my lease is up neway.

[V-Love]

I had an early March 04 delivery as well. Worth every penny to be one of the first with that car. No problems at all. I really like this what I am hearing about the new V. I hope the first road tests come soon. I am pumped on the MRC. It seems pretty wild. I can't wait to see how the mod boys tinker with that. Also, the engine compartment looks really covered up. Its gonna get real interesting around here again.

[Katshot]

Originally Posted by Jon

'04 was the first year of the Vs... Mine didn't have a "lion's share of unresolved issues."

"THE" lion's share of issues. Meaning if there are any, early production cars will have the lion's share of them. For this reason, it's often regarded as a no-brainer that first year production is the most problematic and therefore wise to avoid. OBVIOUSLY, there exceptions to this, so please don't take the comment to extremes.
And as for wanting to be "the first on your block".....well, let's just say I don't generally associate that need with anything positive.
But, you DO bring up one good point. GM does tend to let issues go unresolved so second and third year production isn't ALWAYS any better. Still, from my experience, the first year is usually the one with the most problems. At least that's when I got the most engineering change notifications when I was in the field.

[Cadillac Tony]

I love how you always have positive things to add, Katshot.

Seriously man, we're talking about a souped up version of the MT Car of the Year that has received rave reviews since launch. No major recalls on the 2008 CTS and almost all the owners are super happy with it. The 2009 CTS-V designers have already stated that the CTS was designed with the intention of being made a V, unlike the first gen which was just a regular CTS with a baked on layer of performance.

Other than the diff (which has obviously been improved for the 09) what major issues were there with the first gen? I don't see any reason to be afraid of this car in the first year.

[Katshot]

Sarcasm followed by a nice gentle breeze of smoke up the butt. Nice.

[Cadillac Tony]

The little "laughing" smiley was intended to let you know that I was just giving you a hard time. The "smoke up the butt" comment was a little uncalled for, but it doesn't surprise me.

The fact remains that the CTS-V has been a generally reliable car outside the well known diff issue, and that has been addressed in the 2009. If the 2008 has been trouble free, and the 09 is using even beefier materials, there's no reason to draw the conclusion that it will have problems. What you consider smoke, I consider the facts, which they are.

There's no point in ripping a car that you haven't even driven yet, so why don't you just relax and watch what happens? A lot of things have changed at GM since you were in the field, and it's not fair to assume that the car will have problems the first year, not to mention making snide comments to me for pointing that out.

[ylwjacket]

Tony -

I'm getting the idea that Kat is not on your early order list. Probably should go ahead and scratch his name off it.

[Brett]

Im sure there are plenty of first year cars that are just fine but overall the first year is typically going to be more problematic than later years. Anyone could go to Alldata.com and see the service bulletins are almost always more plentiful in the first year of a model.

Tony I appreaciate your enthusiasm but MT COTY doesnt have anything to do with reliability. All the entrants are NEW or redesigned cars.

[Katshot]

If you took even a little time to read my posts, you'd notice that I HAVE pointed out multiple times that there's an awful lot of guessing and benchracing going here, let alone ripping the car for quality when all you've seen are a few pictures. So it should be rather easy to glean from my statements that I too, think it's a good idea to "wait and see", but that goes for BOTH positive and negative comments. I'm neither saying it's a POS or the greatest thing since sliced lunch meat.
I've also been VERY supportive of this new car. I've said numerous times that I not only think it's a much improved car from a styling standpoint, but also seems to have what it should take to compete head to head with the best out there.
And as far as my comments about the first year of production generally having the lion's share of problems, how do you possibly get that I'm saying that it is going to have problems? I'm merely stating a well-known FACT that "generally" early production cars show the highest degree of problems. Do you deny this to be true?
As far as the "smoke up the butt" comment, I was referring to statements you made that specifically sounded MUCH more like a salesman than an owner or enthusiast. More precisely, the statement where you name-drop "MT Car of the Year" etc. Think REAL hard about trying to make a statement that ties being named MT Car of the Year and anything even remotely associated with build quality or being any kind of great car overall. A quick look at past winners of that award easily proves that point.
Sorry but sarcasm and being talked down to tends to ruffle my feathers.

[Cadillac Tony]

MT COTY takes build quality into account, otherwise they wouldn't have raved about the interior quality and exterior panel gaps. I know the tinfoil hatters all think that the award is bought, but for a traditionally import biased mag like MT or C&D to rave about the car is HUGE.

All I'm pointing out is that the 2008 CTS has been out for over 6 months now with no major recalls or common complaints on the forums (like peeling nav buttons, headlights burning out, XM radios crashing.....whatever). J.D. Power & Associates judges cars by problems per 100 in the first 90 days, and judging by my customer base I think that number is going to be awfully low.

You're backing down off your earlier statement now, but what prompted me to post was your assertion that you'd have to be "brainless" to buy a first year car. Since I bought a first year CTS-V and consider myself "brainful" (?), I just wanted to disagree.

As far as sounding like a Salesman, well.....I am a Salesman, so I guess it's a good thing I don't sound like a roofer.

[Cadillac Tony]

Originally Posted by Brett

Im sure there are plenty of first year cars that are just fine but overall the first year is typically going to be more problematic than later years. Anyone could go to Alldata.com and see the service bulletins are almost always more plentiful in the first year of a model.

Tony I appreaciate your enthusiasm but MT COTY doesnt have anything to do with reliability. All the entrants are NEW or redesigned cars.

My enthusiasm is honest love for and faith in the product- I can't tell you how many people I talked out of a Catera back in the 90's, so if you knew me then you'd have more appreciation for my integrity.

Of course they're going to find a few more things to change on the first year-that's only logic, and I'm not debating that. To say that you're "brainless" for buying a first year car is hysterical and ridiculous, not to mention insulting to the people on this forum that have or are going to buy a first year car.

[Katshot]

Oh for God sake, would you take a pill? Let me apologize and say that anyone who buys first year is not brainless. IMO, it's not the "best" one to buy (unless you're a collector or something) due to the reasons I've stated, but if you do, I'm not saying you're guaranteed to have problems. You just have a substantially better chance of having problems, and being the victim of sometimes substantial changes, which can leave you and your early production car in the hole.
But again, this doesn't mean that you're brainless. Sorry, I guess I used too strong of a word.