09 V rumour thread...get ur 09 rumours here...yeah baby

[mbiker97_old]

600 HP for 55k won't happen. Even 500 hp for 55k is doubtful.

[lunarx]

A supercharger only costs GM about 4K (since they probably get a massive discount).
All they need is a CR adjustment to the pistons or heads of engines they already have.
I think the misunderstanding is that people think we will get the same engine as Blue-Devil/SS/Z07.
Perhaps the V engine will have similarities but clearly will not be the same internally or in rated HP.

We can blame the Slush-Box wanting babies for that.
We had out chance to show GM we are hard core performance junkies but failed.

Half of you guys are crying about rear tires wearing out too soon on your 400HP Hot Rod Sedan.

Do you really think you deserve to be given a 600HP car?

[The Tony Show]

We all crapped our pants over the 505hp Z06 just over a year ago- now people are whining about the possibility of the V having "only" 525hp??

News flash: Over 500hp is extremely rare and stupid fast. To get 600hp out of a Viper, Dodge had to put an 8.4L V10 in the thing, and that sells for $85k (with no nav, no back seat, no Onstar, XM, etc, etc....)

You'd have to be crazy to think GM is dumb enough to price themselves out of the market by getting into a HP pissing contest with the Germans. This car will be benchmarked against the performance of its rivals, not the dyno results.

[The Tony Show]

Originally Posted by mbiker97

600 HP for 55k won't happen. Even 500 hp for 55k is doubtful.

It'll happen (the 500hp one). The only reason the STS-V is so expensive is that the Northstar costs twice as much to make as a pushrod V8.

I'm making this a habit about every three posts on the subject so I can say "I told you so" in a few months:

Just over 500hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $60k

[ahahnu]

I finally got my Motor Trend in the mail yeaterday. The picture was a beauty. I personally don't see how they can mess this one up. They are taking a hit already, and making it better, turning it into a home run. No matter what the new ones will have some sort of V8, super charger or not, it should better then 500 hp. Worry about traction before you go higher. If you want a drag car, get a specific drag car. you can't catch this in the twisties.

[mbiker97_old]

I meant it won't be under 55k like some people are speculating. All I know is that I've actually sat in one, while my brother and other friends have driven them.

[lunarx]

Originally Posted by mbiker97

I meant it won't be under 55k like some people are speculating. All I know is that I've actually sat in one, while my brother and other friends have driven them.

Sat in & Driven, V's or base CTS?
If V's tell us more.

[The Tony Show]

Originally Posted by lunarx

Sat in & Driven, V's or base CTS?
If V's tell us more.

He's been in V's, and he can't tell us anything. People lose their jobs over stuff like this, unfortunately.

[lawfive]

Bah! Him losing his job is a small price for US to pay for information!


(j/k)

[Silver Dollar]

Originally Posted by lawfive

Bah! Him losing his job is a small price for US to pay for information!


(j/k)

Hey, that's what Monster.com is for.

SPILL IT!

[JimmyH]

Originally Posted by lunarx

A supercharger only costs GM about 4K (since they probably get a massive discount).
All they need is a CR adjustment to the pistons or heads of engines they already have.
I think the misunderstanding is that people think we will get the same engine as Blue-Devil/SS/Z07.
Perhaps the V engine will have similarities but clearly will not be the same internally or in rated HP.

We can blame the Slush-Box wanting babies for that.
We had out chance to show GM we are hard core performance junkies but failed.

Half of you guys are crying about rear tires wearing out too soon on your 400HP Hot Rod Sedan.

Do you really think you deserve to be given a 600HP car?

[JimmyH]

Originally Posted by The Tony Show

News flash: Over 500hp is extremely rare and stupid fast. To get 600hp out of a Viper, Dodge had to put an 8.4L V10 in the thing,

You forgot the part that even with fat tires it cant put all 600 on the ground.

Originally Posted by The Tony Show

You'd have to be crazy to think GM is dumb enough to price themselves out of the market by getting into a HP pissing contest with the Germans. This car will be benchmarked against the performance of its rivals, not the dyno results.

I can see it now:
09 V = 525 hp
10 M5=600 hp
12 V = 650 hp
13 M5 = 750 hp
15 V = 800 hp
etc etc etc

[The Tony Show]

Originally Posted by jimmyhauser

You forgot the part that even with fat tires it cant put all 600 on the ground.

My point exactly- Everyone needs to stop worrying about who has the better dyno queen. The car will be succeed or fail based on handling, acceleration, refinement and durability (emphasis on the latter), not peak HP numbers.

Go ask WildWhl if he cares that a Corvette makes more power than his Exige.

Power/weight ratio and gearing > Horsepower

[Kadonny]

Originally Posted by Silver Dollar

I don't want to piss off Kadonny, I hear he's deadly with that cane.

Fookin' right young boy. Ph33r me.

[Kadonny]

Originally Posted by The Tony Show

It'll happen (the 500hp one). The only reason the STS-V is so expensive is that the Northstar costs twice as much to make as a pushrod V8.

I'm making this a habit about every three posts on the subject so I can say "I told you so" in a few months:

Just over 500hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $60k

Just so I am on record with this, I'll quote Tony again. I totally agree with this statement. Just over 500 hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $ 60k.