09 V rumour thread...get ur 09 rumours here...yeah baby

[CIWS]

I am Mr. urb

[thebigjimsho]

Originally Posted by CIWS

I am Mr. urb

No, you're CIWS.

[trukk]

YA09VR:

This time it's an LSA 500 Ish HP:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...706060316/1149

-Chris

[urbanski]

Originally Posted by CIWS

I am Mr. urb

Originally Posted by thebigjimsho

No, you're CIWS.

[Kadonny]

Originally Posted by trukk

YA09VR:

This time it's an LSA 500 Ish HP:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...706060316/1149

-Chris

Chris, now that one I think is accurate.

No way GM is bumping from 400 to 600 hp. It just ain't gonna happen folks. Wake up . The LSA rumor is probably the ticket at about 525 hp.

[The Tony Show]

Originally Posted by Kadonny

Chris, now that one I think is accurate.

No way GM is bumping from 400 to 600 hp. It just ain't gonna happen folks. Wake up . The LSA rumor is probably the ticket at about 525 hp.

I agree, and have been saying it for a while:

-Just over 500 hp
-New CTS interior (minus the wood)
-Automatic optional
-Under $60k

=

Huge Winner for Cadillac.

It doesn't need 600hp to win the paper race with M and AMG- it needs proper suspension design and gearing so it can launch properly and beat them in a heads-up comparo. In order for these cars to take off, people need to see MT and C&D raving about the interior, acceleration and handling. Cadillac doesn't quite have the street cred to outprice MB and BMW yet, but if they do this one right it will go a long way.

More peak HP won't accomplish anything if the price is too high or the axle tramp isn't fixed.

[JimmyH]

600 hp would start a horsepower war with BMW and Chrysler that no one would win (except the body shops that would be fixing all the wrecked Vs, Ms and SRTs.)

[JimmyH]

Originally Posted by trukk

YA09VR:

This time it's an LSA 500 Ish HP:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...706060316/1149

-Chris

If an automatic becomes available, good luck finding a standard at the dealerships. They will be likely be few and far between, and probably get marked up.

[Art138]

Although GM could capture more of the high end market with a 600HP beast... and could squeeze between 65-70 thousand from M5/M6 and AMG series MB prospective buyers. Will be interesting how the competitors react to the MT speculation......

[Late BrakeU2]

Originally Posted by Kadonny

Chris, now that one I think is accurate.

No way GM is bumping from 400 to 600 hp. It just ain't gonna happen folks. Wake up . The LSA rumor is probably the ticket at about 525 hp.

That article appears to have far more fact that the MTone.Historically GM never challenges the vettes #"s with any other platform.Closest ever was the 04/5 V and C5 Z06 (with a scant 10 less due to airbox)but I think that was due mainly to them needing to use up all their LS6 inventory.

Blown LS7 sounds great,but that would put it around sticker on an STS and it's a small jump from there to an M5 or E63.They have to keep it competively priced or it will lose market share to the established panzerwagons.
Just my .02 and all could be moot with the looming new CAFE standards..

[StealthCTSVJJL]

There is no doubt in my mind that if Cadillac can keep the CTS-V's price range in the 60-65k range AND offer 600 hp they will lift M3, RS4, IS-F, and C63 customers from the other brands. No one is even close to that figure and there is no better selling point than saying "this car has 200 more hp than than the rest". I still believe that M5 and CLS63 customers will not trade their cars in for a Cadillac, but it will certainly raise some eyebrows and Caddy needs that to strengthen their prestige car image, for future products, and more importantly future customers in the higher price ranges.
Of course this leads to the inevitable question: If the CTS-V is given 600 hp, what will the next STS-V get? I would not be surprised to see the XLR-V go away it was a major sales bomb, but the STS V can go head to head with the M5 and CLS63 and upcoming Audi RS6 if given the right firepower, like a 650 HP verison of the CTS-V engine. As enticing as a 55K 450 HP with proper diff sounds for the 09 CTS-V, Cadillac is also eyeballing a new entry level vehicle based on a Holden design more in the size of the 3 series Bimmer, that one may carry on the torch in the future with a 400 or so HP engine and a 50 or maybe even less price tag!
It would make good business sense for Cadillac and GM.

[Jon]

600hp will happen. GM has balls. Lutz has already said the next CTS-V would suck the doors right off a M5.

[Silver Dollar]

Confusus say: "man who go to bed with itchy bung wake up with smelly finger"

[Silver Dollar]

Here's what they should have done with the XLR-V:

Ditch the northstar, intstall an LS7 and offer a 6 speed option.

Keep everything else and it would have been worth the $100K MSRP (ok, maybe not, but it maybe $80k which is what they're giving them away for now)

[The Tony Show]

A 525hp car with a torquey cam, 3.93 gears and the ability to paint two solid black stripes on the ground will suck the doors off an M5.

Proper gearing is the part of the puzzle everyone seems to forget about.