Huge news, convert 3.6 255 hp to 3.6 HO 275hp - Page 3

Kael · #31 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:39 PM

the koz statement does kind of belong here.
he is saying
"look.. a REAL 20hp increase, and its not a tune that did it, so kids dont spend your 699 on the tune.. instead send it to kael so he can continue his development ... " (okay I made that last part up)

nickc50310 · #32 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:41 PM

Thats what Im talkin about Kael! Get them off a wrecked car!

Azn- This is not the place to discuss the tune. Ive explained why it wasnt done to the engine by GM. The most glaring and obvious reason is that people dont like buying cars that need premium. You and i, sure premium is cool because we are enthusiasts. For Joe Blow- having to buy premium is a huge turn off. These cars have an ECu programmed to run with any kind of shit fuel you might find in the world.

lets not hijack this thread. There is plenty of powerchip threads already.

dkozloski · #33 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nickc50310

I realize that Kael but it doesnt belong in this thread. hes just tryin to be a penis.

Nick, when I was your age I would have been the first guy to the parts counter to order all this stuff and install it in my car. I think that this makes a hell of a lot more sense than some vaporware tune. I still think the PowerChips tune is a dream but here's something you can sink your teeth into. I'm still of the opinion though that there is something obscene about hiring somebody to hot rod your car. It's almost as bad as hiring somebody to take your wife/gf to bed for you. More horsepower is something that should be earned with sweat and bloody knuckles. Back in the day when me and my buddies came into the room, the guys that hired their mods done pulled their coats collars up to hide their face and slunk out.

nickc50310 · #34 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kael

the koz statement does kind of belong here.
he is saying
"look.. a REAL 20hp increase, and its not a tune that did it, so kids dont spend your 699 on the tune.. instead send it to kael so he can continue his development ... " (okay I made that last part up)

This is going to cost a hell of alot more than 600 bux. assuming it will actually work and the ecu doesnt react negatively...

Kael · #35 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:48 PM

the ecu is pretty much designed to take advantage of situations like this. and if anything we can always gank the new programming (if any) off of the outlook as well.

so far I am seeing the stock heads for under 300 a piece and the exhaust cams for 80 a piece from gmpartsdirect. i doubt the HO versions will be much more. so figure 800 - 1000 in parts. less than half that to get it slavaged.

free if you have no morals and just rent an outlook for a weekend from hertx and switch out the parts

(dont do this)

AznPrydeRegalRyde · #36 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:57 PM

Jeez, KAEL, this looks better and better the more ya look at at! Its certainly more cost effective buying a CORSA and Volant. It would probably yield similar gains too.

Flyin-Ryan · #37 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:58 PM

Exhaust is more than performance. Looks and sound.

nickc50310 · #38 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:01 PM

The aluminum intake manifold has a valve in its plenum, managed by the engine control module (ECM), which opens and closes according to engine speed."

Our existing 3.6 ECM(U) does not have the ability to control this valve. Just taking out the ECM from a Saturn outlook and putting it in our CTS also would not work.

Look up some pictures of the outlook engine. Doesnt even resemble our 3.6.

Ok, Ill stop bein negative. I hope this works because you damn sure know I want more power!

Flyin-Ryan · #39 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:03 PM

try that link again

Kael · #40 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:05 PM

well if you already have exhaust this will make that benefit even more. long duration on the exhaust side lets the cylinder breath a bit more, less restrictive exhaust helps those gases get out. so lets say the gains are constant.
the exhaust gives you and extra 5 hp. the heads and cam and intake give you and extra 20. so 280 is a pretty safe estimate. not bad.

another note is the numer of 275 was sae certified. he outlook's rev limiter stops at 6900, our goes to 7000 so we might see a bit more power out of this.
oh, the outlook only lost 1 foot/lb of torque (sae certified) the cts is not sae certified

things are finally starting to happen for us.

Kael · #41 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:06 PM

nick, I am going to hurt you. hurt you so much.

the 3.6 vvt ALREADY has a variable intake, the ECM CURRENTLY, in the car, right now, controls the valve that is mentioned.

and again, this is for the 2007 saturn outlook.

okay nick. that means you, your car, the car you currently drive. the cts you love. HAS THE VALVE IN IT RIGHT NOW AND IT OPENS AND CLOSES RIGHT NOW.

man...
More rep.

AznPrydeRegalRyde · #42 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyin-Ryan

Exhaust is more than performance. Looks and sound.

What? I couldn't hear you over the roar of my 6 cyl

dkozloski · #43 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AznPrydeRegalRyde

What? I couldn't hear you over the roar of my 6 cyl

If the history of the Northstar V8 is any indication the biggest problem you're going to have is geting the old heads off and the new ones on without losing the threads for one or more head bolts. In which case the threads in the block would have to be replaced with TimeSerts which is the approved repair. Just something to think about.

You young guys are just like a pack of young hounds ready to chase a rabbit(mod) up any old trail. Youre lucky to have somebody to rien you in and get you back on the path again. A good devil's advocate forces you to concentrate your thinking and organize your argument. If you're having a lot of trouble dealing with it maybe there's something wrong with your plan.

Flyin-Ryan · #44 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dkozloski

Youre lucky to have somebody to rein you in and get you back on the path again.

Will you prove to me that you actually have a cts please. If you know so much about cars, why in the world did you buy a CTS anyway? Couldnt find anything else that meets your standards for less money?

AznPrydeRegalRyde · #45 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dkozloski

If the history of the Northstar V8 is any indication the biggest problem you're going to have is geting the old heads off and the new ones on without losing the threads for one or more head bolts. In which case the threads in the block would have to be replaced with TimeSerts which is the approved repair. Just something to think about.

You young guys are just like a pack of young hounds ready to chase a rabbit(mod) up any old trail. Youre lucky to have somebody to rien you in and get you back on the path again. A good devil's advocate forces you to concentrate your thinking and organize your argument. If you're having a lot of trouble dealing with it maybe there's something wrong with your plan.

Koz I was being sarcastic about the roar of my 6 cyl.

Flyin-Ryan...give up allready. Noone cares. The fact that he actually has an idea of how an engine works in real life situations should be enough to let him post what he likes. If he posts something horrible, mods will take care of it. If its just something that bothers you, ignore it.