Huge news, convert 3.6 255 hp to 3.6 HO 275hp - Page 2

Flyin-Ryan · #16 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nickc50310

Couple these heads, cams and intake with the PowerChip tune and you will have lots of power. Koz, dont you worry, youll be eating a big fat told you so sammich shortly!

Nick he'll spin everything negatively. I enjoy watching how he does it

nickc50310 · #17 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:06 PM

Koz do you ever offer ANYTHING useful around here? You never try to help with any mods or helping to get more power from our cars. All you do is bitch and bring up old stories about all the cars youve built. Seriously, point out one thing youve ever done to help anyone on the forum. All you do is shoot down ANY new ideas people come up with.

Kael · #18 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:07 PM

heh, koz is saying:
"I think that the powerchips tune is a load of bull, look at GM, millions of dollars equipment, and even the source code for the ECM itself and when they needed 20 more hp out of the engine did they just give it a new tune? no they didnt, you cant get an easy 20hp out of just a tune, instead they found they had to change the intake, cams and heads to get the 20hp"

Flyin-Ryan · #19 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:08 PM

Im convinced he doesnt even own a CTS. I would love to see a picture hahaha

Flyin-Ryan · #20 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kael

heh, koz is saying:
"I think that the powerchips tune is a load of bull, look at GM, millions of dollars equipment, and even the source code for the ECM itself and when they needed 20 more hp out of the engine did they just give it a new tune? no they didnt, you cant get an easy 20hp out of just a tune, instead they found they had to change the intake, cams and heads to get the 20hp"

There are plenty of cars that can get large gains from a tune alone. Ours might not be one of those but Ive seen 50HP out of a Z06. So it can be done and it was worth a shot

nickc50310 · #21 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kael

heh, koz is saying:
"I think that the powerchips tune is a load of bull, look at GM, millions of dollars equipment, and even the source code for the ECM itself and when they needed 20 more hp out of the engine did they just give it a new tune? no they didnt, you cant get an easy 20hp out of just a tune, instead they found they had to change the intake, cams and heads to get the 20hp"

I realize that Kael but it doesnt belong in this thread. hes just tryin to be a penis.

collapsed · #22 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:16 PM

sooo.... to ask the question again:

about what kind of price do you think that this HO upgrade might cost.
headers, cams, and intake may be pricey, but if they deploy this onn a fleet of vehicles we can expect to have a relatively reasonable price range for this.
speculations, anyone?
finally gm is going to answer our call and make some performance parts available to us.

mikesharon · #23 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:22 PM

I dont think this is a realistic upgrade, your talking major engine work for 20hp.

Flyin-Ryan · #24 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:30 PM

Adding intake isnt major. Maybe you could just do some of the mod

mikesharon · #25 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 04:46 PM

The High put is going to come from changing the compression which would be changing the heads and I would imagine thats where the bulk of the upgrade is going to come from, im assuming thats why you need to change the cam to accomadate the new compression.

I might be wrong but changing it to HO you guys will need to use the 91 / 93 octane gas. Thats why us 3.2 guys need to use it I believe our engines are a higher compression than the 3.6.

AznPrydeRegalRyde · #26 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesharon

I dont think this is a realistic upgrade, your talking major engine work for 20hp.

Who's saying it's ONLY 20 hp?

Great find, by the way, KAEL.

Am I wrong in guessing, tho, that it could be more then 20 hp? Mechanically, the difference is the heads cams and intake. But what about the tune? Isn't it possible that they retarded timing beyond the CTSs' levels? In an effort to gain low end tq and still keep good fuel mileage, etc. The tune is so far off from being useful, but this is very promising news! Who knows, this could be maybe 320 hp with exhuast,xpipe, and headers.

You guys should give Koz a listen more often. Dont you think theres more to the tune then meets the eye? If GM could have added 20 hp to our 3.6L with a tune for the Outlook, why would they design new heads and cams instead? Seems economically counter-productive doesnt it?

RoyalFlush · #27 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:25 PM

shit man kael you are a god among men. damn, if all is true and works now my dream set up would be:

- k&n intake
- Corsa Exhaust
- powerchip tune
- new spark plugs (havent researched em yet)
- Cams
- heads

but now what is this new timing chain thing they are talking about? and if the cylinder heads are bigger doesnt that mean the pistons have to be changed? If they made these changes to the engine dont you think they already played with the current code in the ecm to adjust to the changes? sorry guys i'm a complete dumbass to this stuff but would appreciate it alot if someone corrects this (and the dumbass part lol) for me.
i wonder if it's plug and play. shit, with all the available stuff now plus these new parts (if they really work) i think we would break 300 easy. putting us probably in the ~250 hp range to the wheels which is not bad. i know for that money invested i could've gotten a V but thats not the point. uppin your base cts gives you a sense of accomplishment. and it's in reality YOUR BABY. plus the V is a gas guzzler and a half. and i dont need 400 horses living in NYC dont really think i could enjoy all of them in bumper to bumper traffic on the L.I.E. or B.Q.E.

Kael · #28 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:27 PM

hey mikesharon. dont contribute anymore. seriously.
read the article before you talk.

the outlook still runs on regular gas. the cam profile is stated as being altered to have the exact same lift but hold it for a slightly longer duration.

this should not be a huge cost upgrade.
gm parts direct has exhaust cams for our cars for about 80 a piece, the cylinder heads come in at about 300 a piece.

personnally i would wait till some moron soccer mom wrecks her saturn outlook and then go scavenge it.

AznPrydeRegalRyde · #29 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kael

hey mikesharon. dont contribute anymore. seriously.
read the article before you talk.

the outlook still runs on regular gas. the cam profile is stated as being altered to have the exact same lift but hold it for a slightly longer duration.

this should not be a huge cost upgrade.
gm parts direct has exhaust cams for our cars for about 80 a piece, the cylinder heads come in at about 300 a piece.

personnally i would wait till some moron soccer mom wrecks her saturn outlook and then go scavenge it.

Yep, I think youre right on that. I think this'll be cheaper then exhuast and intake. Really depends on how cheap youll get labor, as heads and cams aren't really a novice DIY.

Kael · #30 (**permalink**) 12-14-06, 05:37 PM

aznpride.

its a dohc. we can assemble the cams on the head off the car and THEN switch them out.
its not like internal cams where I have to take off the timing chain and gear and do everything that annoying to get to it.

oh for the record, the 3.6L has 10.2:1 compression the 3.2 has 10:1

and this is not that bad for price. afterall, you nut cases spend 1200 on a corsa exhaust that gives you 5 hp.