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    Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Feedback would be appreciated. A couple questions...

    I found a new back road coming home from work, I could see for quite a few miles, but yet there were lots of twists and fairly long straights. Overall I'm faily satisfied because of the cost of the car, but...
    A few points...

    -I had it up to 123 mph, I thought the gov'r kicked in sooner?
    -After repeated hard braking, maybe 4 times from 60 or so, I noticed huge brake fade. I can only imagine what Marine and PJ must go through with thier heavier bigger diameter wheels. Not a cheap shot, as I love big chromies, but you guys must hate the stock brakes with those rims! I'm thinking about a new brake system alot sooner now!
    -I also noticed that after repeated hard driving, the car definitely loses a bit of juice. I think a Volant and ML-V will take car of this, along with the x-pipe and magnaflows.
    -The cows didn't care...

    So, when I get home, my sister is over with her new bf (he's older then I am...I don't like that) and I decide to take her 3.2 for a spin, maybe get back to this back area, and try the earlier sports model of the CTS. Well, I didn't get back there, but I did get a little spirited driving in before she called...what I noticed...

    -without the stick, it's a lot less fun...but the sport mode is really good, surprisingly. it stayed in the right gear most of the time, and its shifts were very quick and crisp
    -there's engine braking in normal mode too! not just sport mode! I didn't know that...
    -not alot has changed since 2003 for the sport models
    -i like her rims more
    -her brakes fade even more?? is this possible? different brakes?
    -this really surprised me...if i brake-torque, the tach won't go past 2000 rpm, and I can't even chirp the tires, let alone peel out...can't really see the 3.2 having as much power...is this normal? should I not be able to light the tires up a bit? I know in my 4 spd auto fwd Buick Regal with only 200 hp/ 225 lbs-ft, I could chirp the tires all day long from a brake-torque launch...

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Do you have the sport package, Azn? That upgrades the brakes and should moderate fade, although I haven't ran it hard enough to find out.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Quote Originally Posted by AznPrydeRegalRyde
    Feedback would be appreciated. -After repeated hard braking, maybe 4 times from 60 or so, I noticed huge brake fade. I can only imagine what Marine and PJ must go through with thier heavier bigger diameter wheels. Not a cheap shot, as I love big chromies, but you guys must hate the stock brakes with those rims! I'm thinking about a new brake system alot sooner now!
    Yo Azn, -didn't think it was cheap shot BTW - But to give a little feed back and info to your post...I don't have that much brake fade as you would anticipate because I don't have stock brakes anymore...I have cross drilled and gas slotted rotors and ceramic pads...and I drive hard..So if you wanna do brakes, unless you do a big brake kit conversion, I think a minor upgrade as mine should do the trick....RobertCTS also has the same brake set up as I...I am also running with a Volant intake and Magnaflow....which takes care of your other issue..Love it..and you will too...I'm doing the MLV exhaust upgrade but just can't seem to get a set of V pipes here in LA.......Oh yeah, I chirp tires all day long in my current set up - without brake-torque launches....

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    I took my CTS out to our local autocross and I felt no brake fade what so ever... But then the car only had 300 miles on it! Only thing I could have done with out was the ABS..I'd rather regulate my brake lock up then for nanny do it for me.

    Just my 2 cents.. different pads and a set of performance rotors. Big brake kits and large diamiter wheels sometimes make the issue worse. As it effects rotational mass = less power to the ground.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Quote Originally Posted by AznPrydeRegalRyde
    -After repeated hard braking, maybe 4 times from 60 or so, I noticed huge brake fade. I can only imagine what Marine and PJ must go through with thier heavier bigger diameter wheels.
    I think braking has more to it than what it sounds like. Its all how how you press on that brake. I go from 60 to 0 pretty quick and my brakes dont ware at all. Just take it smooth yet hard kinda weird to explain it but I have always been really good and stopping fast without wearing the pads away.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Quote Originally Posted by ktills45
    Do you have the sport package, Azn? That upgrades the brakes and should moderate fade, although I haven't ran it hard enough to find out.
    Yeah, both cars have the sport package. Mine is fully loaded besides NAV and extra cost paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SdMarineGuy
    I think braking has more to it than what it sounds like. Its all how how you press on that brake. I go from 60 to 0 pretty quick and my brakes dont ware at all. Just take it smooth yet hard kinda weird to explain it but I have always been really good and stopping fast without wearing the pads away.
    I've done a few driving schools, don't worry about my braking ability The key is to brake as hard as you can, but don't cross the line to where ABS cuts in. By the way, Marine, I bet you don't have a problem with brake dust now hey?

    It's not the brake wear thats the problem, its fading. I found they got really squishy after 4 hard stops.
    The first stop was great, it did really bite, and the 2nd too. But the 3rd wasn't so good, and the 4th felt like I was back in my Regal.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Can someone with a 3.2L auto chime in? Can you get your tires to chirp by brake torqueing? Will it rev past 2000 rpm?

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Well, I have the 3.2L manual but I'll chime in anyway.

    I am not surprised that the 3.2L slushbox will not brake torque. The 3.2L does not have a lot of low end power. IMO, it really doesn't make good power until 4000 RPM.

    I have driven the 3.6/Auto combo a few times and I can definetely feel a lot more low and mid range power. And the thing really pulls in 2nd second gear. Strangely, it does feel like the computer is limiting power in 1st gear on the 3.6 /auto.

    The 3.2 manual will easily do a smokey burnout if you tach it up on launch. Watch out for that wheel hop though.

    Before anyone gets excited I am NOT saying the 3.2 is faster than the 3.6. I would love to have a 3.6 / manual as I am sure it rocks.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMalibu
    Well, I have the 3.2L manual but I'll chime in anyway.

    I am not surprised that the 3.2L slushbox will not brake torque. The 3.2L does not have a lot of low end power. IMO, it really doesn't make good power until 4000 RPM.

    I have driven the 3.6/Auto combo a few times and I can definetely feel a lot more low and mid range power. And the thing really pulls in 2nd second gear. Strangely, it does feel like the computer is limiting power in 1st gear on the 3.6 /auto.

    The 3.2 manual will easily do a smokey burnout if you tach it up on launch. Watch out for that wheel hop though.

    Before anyone gets excited I am NOT saying the 3.2 is faster than the 3.6. I would love to have a 3.6 / manual as I am sure it rocks.
    You wheel hop also?

    Sigma is a nice platform, but it's hell to get going. Mine bangs around like the bass drummer in the marching band when I let it fly with off.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    I can't speak for a 3.2 auto, but my 3.6 auto certainly lets me make smoke whenever i feel like it.. long as TC is off.

    Also, your car may have a governor, or it might not at all. Mine didn't until the transmission in it dropped, prior to that I had gotten it up to around 143ish. Once I got it back from the dealer after 3 weeks there was a 125 governor.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Quote Originally Posted by pjohnesq
    .......Oh yeah, I chirp tires all day long in my current set up - without brake-torque launches....
    We now have proof that you were speeding mister...pull it over and hand ME the keys!!

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    I have a 3.2 auto and besides the normal brake fade with 20" rims, I have no problems or concerns about my brake system. Keep in mind, this is NOT a sports car, its a sporty sedan.

    On another note, try racing your sister side by side and let me know what happens.
    Every 3.6 I've come across ends up in my rear view mirror. I'm currently investigating this strange phenomenon, but I'll keep ya'll posted. I have a dyno day scheduled for July 15 and I'm anxious as to what kind of wheel hp the 3.2 auto, in sport mode, puts down.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    Quote Originally Posted by TCSisOFF
    I have a 3.2 auto and besides the normal brake fade with 20" rims, I have no problems or concerns about my brake system. Keep in mind, this is NOT a sports car, its a sporty sedan.

    On another note, try racing your sister side by side and let me know what happens.
    Every 3.6 I've come across ends up in my rear view mirror. I'm currently investigating this strange phenomenon, but I'll keep ya'll posted. I have a dyno day scheduled for July 15 and I'm anxious as to what kind of wheel hp the 3.2 auto, in sport mode, puts down.
    Not to sound arrogant, or to "flame" as its put in the forum, but perhaps the 3.6 drivers that you race, aren't racing back. My neighbor a few doors down has a 3.2, and I am never in his rearview mirror. I would say my driving skills are way above average, and even driving a 3.2, I can't pull away from my '05 3.6 On a further note, my '05 BMW 530i w/ steptronic EASILY pulls away from the 3.2, it's never even close. Maybe you have a 3.2 "V" or just a one of a kind.

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    Re: Ran my 3.6 hard. Then ran my sister's 3.2 hard. a few ?'s...

    I have a 3.2 auto and besides the normal brake fade with 20" rims, I have no problems or concerns about my brake system. Keep in mind, this is NOT a sports car, its a sporty sedan.

    On another note, try racing your sister side by side and let me know what happens.
    Every 3.6 I've come across ends up in my rear view mirror. I'm currently investigating this strange phenomenon, but I'll keep ya'll posted. I have a dyno day scheduled for July 15 and I'm anxious as to what kind of wheel hp the 3.2 auto, in sport mode, puts down.

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