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Cadillac CTS First Generation Forum - 2003 - 2007 Discussion, 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons) in Cadillac CTS Coupe, Sport Sedan and Sport Wagon Forums; More cut and paste. Funny how GM's fix is what I am recommending, top tier gas, and not a catch ...
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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    More cut and paste. Funny how GM's fix is what I am recommending, top tier gas, and not a catch can. Use clean gas and your engine will run fine even if it may have some meaningless deposits that only scare people who don't care about proof.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    You wont quit will you.....all catchcans are not the same, and no catch can causes fuel dilution...it is impossible, RX or other.

    I think his pictures show pretty much "real world" and the fact that this is what we do....build and rebuild engines, and every picture except yours shows the gunk build-up.

    The gunk buiuldup is caused by the oil ingestion.....trap the oil before it is ingested and you have no buildup plain and simple.
    And it has been pointed out over and over again "NO FUEL TOUCHES the intake side of the valves where the gunk deposits form.....so it does not matter what fuel is used on DI motors. The fuel is introduced directly into the combustion chamber on the only in the combustion chamber for a milisecond. For a top tier fuel, or fuel additive to have any effect on keep valves clean it has to be a port injected or carburated engine where the aitr/fuel mixture passes the intake side of the valves allowing it to contack the sureface where the deposits form.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    Top Tier Fuel is recommended to keep fuel system clean and injectors clean, since no fuel touches the valves on DI motors, you need to either perform regular upper induction cleanings or use a catch can. A catch can cannot "make" oil, it only collects. GM will not use a catch can due to the normal owners not understanding how to utilize it and due to emissions, all contaminants need to be kept within the motor. ktr-sb, you need to get a grip on reality, this is only a preventative maintenance and it will help keep you engine clean, if you choose not to do it then bring it to my shop so I can hose you for a 150.00 upper induction cleaning every 40-60k. or pay once for a catch can and prolong the life of your engine. Even Ferraris and masseratis of the day utilize one to keep ingestion down.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    i think ktr-sb's point is that he's done no upper induction cleanings and only used top tier gas and has a very nice looking intake (sure some carbon build up but not major)

    the one main issue that has been touched upon but not really brought to the forefront is that ktr-sb's engine is not DI and does spray gas on the valve stems and tops of the valves
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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    bump up

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    On a port injection motor if top tier fuels are used (what ktr-sb has) then you can drive 200 k miles and have good clean intake valves, not so on a DI engine of any brand. Here is a compilation of pictures submitted by techs from all over the world from every manufacturer you can think of (even new motor cycles with DI):

    http://www.google.com/search?q=intak...w=2021&bih=875

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    My 04 CTS is close to 80k miles and I am thinking maybe it's good idea to replace the timing chain myself since it's a major concern. Why can't those pictures display?

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    And using a catchcan that allows as much oil to pullthrough as they catch is not the answer either:



    Below shows how this oil gunking/coking also causes the rings to stick in the ringlands multiplying the oil consumption issue:


    And for the super charged crowd even WITH port injection and no good catchcan this is 16K miles on a brand new car....look at the intercooler and how obstructed and coated it is reducing its ability to cool the air charge:


    A new CTS-V/ZR1/ZL1 blower after 15 k miles WITH the RX catchcan installed at app 1000 miles:
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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    before you took the chains off where was the crankshaft pulley,does the motor have to be at #1 piston TDC then you follow the procedure.please explain to me thank you ken thomas.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    hey first time post and new member . after trying upper engine decarb and induction, i still had low compression on two cylinders on b(1) . found air box not secured at the bottom pins werent in there slots and literally a dead mouse and nest in air filter housing . lots of debris including hard nut shells. i suspected he might of injested some foreign matter that was not to friendly to the rings on these two front cyls.. so i just finished a rebuild on this engine. (rings, seals, chains, actuator (one) and a recondition on heads ( about 70 % of valves leaking . cust is a guy "too light on the happy pedal lots of carbon build up ) I installed starter on engine stand after priming oil system to double check myself before install. engine is cranking slower than normal: had a battery attached with charger on 40 amps , compression was pretty even 115 to 120 across the board. im thinking rotation speed is culprit and also scoped waveform on starter all cylinders look real close any feedback would be appreciated. oh ps i dont have the locking tool for the flexplate did you purchase this for your project or do u know how to install balancer w/o it thank you for your attention really like this forum and u have my apologies if the info was machine gunned. I am still at work.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    Is anyone having trouble with the pics? I get a photobucket image. I mean the pics on pages 1,2 etc.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    everyone is having trouble with the pics... the original poster either removed their pictures from photobucket or renamed them or moved them or photobucket has disabled them

    i've said it before and i'll say it again ... use imageshack ... i never have these problems and i post pictures all the time
    imageshack doesn't even require an account and their upload tool is super easy to use... just right click the image and 'upload to imageshack'
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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    For those of you who want pics here is another thread. He even has a web page with some additional details.
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...pics-step.html

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    imgur.com also works really well. I've checked links I posted on facebook a year ago and the pictures are still there.

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    Re: 05 CTS 3.6L Timing Chain Job, Tons-o-pics (I mean tons)

    Doug,
    you seem to know all there is to know about cadillac cts... so... my 07 CTS with the 3.6 engine has a problem. My husband accelerated hard the other day running the rpms into the 6000 range and then we got the blinking check engine light and the car started running rough at idle and during driving. Hasn't gone away even though he changed the spark plugs. What else could it be?

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