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    CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    I just saw a Chrysler 300 ad where the 300 pulls up next to a CTS (that they make look puny) while the voiceover talks about their exciting (but barfy)styling. The lady in the CTS looks out and visualizes herself behind the wheel of the (ugly) 300. I think the ad backfires because the 300 looks even worse when contrasted with the CTS.

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by c5 rv
    I just saw a Chrysler 300 ad where the 300 pulls up next to a CTS (that they make look puny) while the voiceover talks about their exciting (but barfy)styling. The lady in the CTS looks out and visualizes herself behind the wheel of the (ugly) 300. I think the ad backfires because the 300 looks even worse when contrasted with the CTS.
    The 300's a Chrysler, need you say anymore????
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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Okay, the styling may be subjective (hey, some people wouldn't know car design if it ran them over), but as for the things that can be measured:

    Our V6 bests theirs.
    Our V8 bests theirs.
    Our handling bests theirs.
    Our <insert any other performance measurement> bests theirs.

    They can make their sheetmetal look like anything they want, but at the end of the day, it's still a Cadillac versus a Chrysler. No contest, I would say.


    Of course, with this new commercial and the recent one with the Lincoln LS comparing itself to the CTS, Cadillac should be flattered. Standard of the World? It's nice to see companies chasing Cadillac again.

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    When I first saw a Chrysler 300, I thought it was a CTS. It bears more than a casual resemblence to a CTS. It's like when the Russians came out with their space shuttle and it looked almost like the U.S. shuttle. Whoa!

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh
    Okay, the styling may be subjective (hey, some people wouldn't know car design if it ran them over), but as for the things that can be measured:

    Our V6 bests theirs.
    Our V8 bests theirs.
    Our handling bests theirs.
    Our <insert any other performance measurement> bests theirs.

    They can make their sheeymetal look like anything they want, but at the end of the day, it's still a Cadillac versus a Chrysler. No contest, I would say.


    Of course, with this new commercial and the recent one with the Lincoln LS comparing itself to the CTS, Cadillac should be flattered. Standard of the World? It's nice to see companies chasing Cadillac again.

    300C 340hp for $33000
    CTS 255hp for $33000

    It's not fair to compare 50K car to 33K car.

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick C
    It's not fair to compare 50K car to 33K car.

    I agree.

    And believe me, it shows...

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick C
    300C 340hp for $33000
    CTS 255hp for $33000

    It's not fair to compare 50K car to 33K car.
    He He. It's also not fair to compare a $33K Chrysler and a $33K Cadillac!
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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    i hate to say it, but the 300 hemi is quite a value....but you give up alot for those ponies

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh

    Our V6 bests theirs.
    As much as my entire family loves Cadillacs, I love the 300! We have several on the lot and wil be test driving!

    The V6 in the 300/Touring/Limited is a 3.5 L High Output SOHC 24 valve SMPI rated at 250 hp @6400 rpm, and 250 lb-ft of torque @ 3800 rpm.

    I thought that was more than the base CTS?

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    THE ONLY Chrysler that he has ever commented on positively was when I showed him the new 300C. He LIKED IT! Something I have never heard him say about ANY Chrysler! My point, there is something people like about this car (subjective yes) so don't knock it too bad. At least it's American, built in Canada. Good for our economy and yours. Is a Lexus?

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    From what I understand the 300 is on the MBZ E class chassis. The interior (and well exterior styling too) is a love/hate thing much like the CTS.

    I have driven a (fully loaded with 4 ppl) 300c and a stripped 3.6 CTS (again fully loaded with 4 ppl) back to back on the same Chrysler test drive course. The 300c feels bigger (bc it is! - MUCH), the ride is smoother (more of a comfy cruiser), the CTS feels sportier, handles considerably better (perormance oriented), and doesn't feel significantly less powerful bc the power comes on MUCH earlier (IMHO).

    I have not driven the V6 300 to compare.

    Does it count that I drove my CTS-V to and from this event? I would not put the CTS-V inot any of these comparos.

    I find it VERY hard to compare these 2 cars on anything other than price, have similar displacement (in V6 trim), and they are 5 person 4 door automobiles. You could just as ealisy compare the CTS to a Avalon or the like.
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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by benjet
    From what I understand the 300 is on the MBZ E class chassis.

    I find it VERY hard to compare these 2 cars on anything other than price
    Good points! That's probably what the commercial was trying to get across, meaning, the 300 is more of a Deville, full-size, family hauler. the CTS IS much smaller! It's a simple fact.

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph
    The V6 in the 300/Touring/Limited is a 3.5 L High Output SOHC 24 valve SMPI rated at 250 hp @6400 rpm, and 250 lb-ft of torque @ 3800 rpm.
    The Chrysler 3.5L sucks. It's got a horrible power band, and anything over 3500lbs just chugs along with it inside. The CTS has 255hp.
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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    Quote Originally Posted by miscreant
    The Chrysler 3.5L sucks. It's got a horrible power band, and anything over 3500lbs just chugs along with it inside. The CTS has 255hp.
    There are a couple of things I'd like to know. (sorry I don't spend too much time in the CTS forum)

    1. The CTS's torque, and weight.
    2. The 300's weight. The Chrysler brochure makes no mention of it.

    I'm pretty impressed by any V6 that gets that kind of power, and I'm more than sure the Cadillacs V6 is more refined.

    Goth: The hemi beats a Northstar in power.

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    Re: CTS in Chrysler 300 Ad

    I really like the styling of the Chrysler 300 - it's like the poor man's Bentley.

    Don't get all worked up. Considering that I bought a CTS, I think that my actions have proven that, for me, when choosing between a 300 and a CTS - there is no choice.

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