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    CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    After having a discussion with a GM QC Engineer this weekend I would like to hear from some other CTS and cts-v owners on what you think is wrong, missing, misplaced or other wise should have been offered on the CTS/CTSV (where did Cadillac miss the boat?). Please do not list DEFECTS. I'm looking for more design issues...Please rate each of your items on a 1-5 scale (see below). Maybe we could get the engineers to read our feeback. I would really like to hear from EVERYONE who owns or has driven a CTS/CTSV. Your contribution to this thread is greatly appreacited by me, and may help to determine some future chages

    1. Top Priority
    2. High
    3. Medium
    4. Low
    5. Minor, but still worth mentioning

    So what bugs you??? - (examples below)

    Not having a glove box light?
    No underhood light?
    Is your front cig lighter/12v power too close to your manual shifter for any real life use?
    Telescoping steering wheel and pedals should have been offered?
    Backup sensors would have been a nice option?
    Lack of a handbrake? Current footbrake and hood release too close together?

    Please make your own list AND RATE each item as above. I will state my own after I hear some of everyone elses. If your comments are V specific (or you think they MAYBE) - please inidcate as such.

    Thanks in advance for your inputs.
    -Ben

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    I wish you could use one of the programable keys on the steering wheel to move thru the different readouts that appear on the top of your Navigation screen ie. mileage, outside temp, gallons used, tripmeter, ect.
    Also a passenger grabhandle.

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Quote Originally Posted by greyghost04
    Also a passenger grabhandle.
    people have been complaining about your driving you need one for your passenger muahahhaha!!!

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Quote Originally Posted by greyghost04
    I wish you could use one of the programable keys on the steering wheel to move thru the different readouts that appear on the top of your Navigation screen ie. mileage, outside temp, gallons used, tripmeter, ect.
    Also a passenger grabhandle.
    On a scale of 1-5 (1 being highest), how important are -

    Having the SWC scroll thru DIC info?
    Passenger grab handle?

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    People in the back cannot turn on interior lighting - 4

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    You can't turn off Traction Control and Stabilitrak permanently. You need to do it each time you start the vehicle.

    Also the stabilitrak (as opposed to TC) can ONLY be disabled by the button in the glove box (hold down for 5 secs) - you can't use the DIC or the programmable button. These are a 2 in my book.

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    All the above + the fact that you cannot adjust the stereo from the wheel (per my wife, who has the most important opinion ).


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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Here are my impressions: (1 important- 5 not important)
    -CTS-V specific-

    Interior:
    -Passenger grab handle -1
    -Configurable DIC colors -5 (would be nice)
    -Better pedal configuration -2 (for heal/toe shifting)
    -Better side bolster support -4
    -easier opening of trunk storage -5 (On V model)
    -Trunk close handle/ strap -2
    -Trunk passthru lock -4

    Mechanical/Suspension
    -Hand e-brake -2
    -relocate front cig lighter -3(can't use it an shift)
    -Reduce wheel hop -1
    -Correct Gauges -1
    -No underhood light -3

    Audio/video entertainment
    -Video input -3
    -Audio input -1 (10k cars have ‘em)
    -Video output (rear seat monitor) -3
    -REAL Cell phone integration (bluetooth!) -1 (Onstar is not a REAL cellphone)
    -Nav screen DIC readout -5 (have multiple DIC entries on 1 screen)
    -Voice control of NAV (v) -1 (removed on V version!)
    -Navtraffic (Delphi/gm) -4
    -MP3 cd capability -1
    -Inability to change cd track in a different screen -2
    -Remove Stupid onstar antenna -1

    Engine/brake
    -Less “rubbery” shifter -3

    I do LOVE this car!! It is the best I have ever driven.

    These are my suggestions (nice to have’s) and I do understand the cost benefit equation which is why most of this stuff has not made it on the V.

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    All of the above and:


    Lockable fuel filler door-3
    Left outside rearview mirror dimmer-4
    Auto wipers-1
    Windnoise-4
    HUD-3
    5-speed auto transmission-4

    Love my V anyway...

    Joe
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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Very nice! Keep this list going.

    Most of these are pretty realistic requests (now that I've said that we'll get someone posting - gold trim kit-1 ).

    Most of mine have already been mentioned, but I'll still come up with a few to add.

    Keep them coming!

    -Ben

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Quote Originally Posted by benjet
    Very nice! Keep this list going.

    Most of these are pretty realistic requests (now that I've said that we'll get someone posting - gold trim kit-1 ).

    Most of mine have already been mentioned, but I'll still come up with a few to add.

    Keep them coming!

    -Ben
    To many "stalks" on the steering column. Wife drove the car & she would hit the wiper stalk accidentally & "on' they would go. One stalk, as on my Eldo is sufficient. Too many gadgets. Miss the parking brake on my Eldo. Other than that it's a great ride. I'm sure there will be improvemets in design with the required price hike, but that's ok..........

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Let me preface this by saying that I love this car. That said:

    Headlamp bulbs not user replaceable - 3

    Plain grille that clashes with some colors - 2

    Excessive brake dust on perf. suspension - 4

    Peeling paint on wheel hubs - 2

    A/C lines block dip stick on 3.6 - 3

    Poor fit of lower rocker panel trim to body - 2

    Door slam sounds too "domestic" - 2

    Old-fashioned OnStar glass antenna - 2

    No locking / remote release on gas filler - 1

    Too much effort to open trunk - 1

    Water dribble from rear bezel - 3

    No bright exhaust tips - 3

    No HUD available - 1

    HVAC controls that flash at night - 1

    Radio volume control has too large a difference in volume settings between clicks in the middle - 4

    Radio buttons do not have positive feedback - 3

    No oil temp reading on dash or DIC - 2

    Homelink button has to be held too long to send signal - 4

    Squeaky and flimsy center console lid - 1

    Squeaky seat sides - 3

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Parking brake release and hood release too close together. -1

    OnStar antenna (I hate it & location) - let's act like it's 2004. -2

    Better standard wheels & optional wheels - 16" wheels belong on a Yugo. 17" seven spoke wheels should be standard as a minimum. Nice 18" 19" or 20" factory wheels should be offered as an option. Nothing pimp mobile like, but dignified, suitable for a classy car. -1
    Lockable gas door. How much did GM save? -2

    I would prefer auto dimming headlights versus auto dimming rear view mirror. -3

    Let's make it better!

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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Did anyone mention the driver's seat rubbing on the center console?

    Obviously having some options would be nice but to be honest I think forcing the customer to go aftermarket to TRULY customize more important performance/style modifications is a good way to do it. That way everyone starts on the same footing, and changes things based on what they want.

    I'd cringe if they went with any type of auto, a sequential gearbox would definitely be fun though (like the one the M3 has, also includes an auto-shift feature).

    Since the thing is drive-by-wire, in a high performance car a clutch adjustment sure would be nice (since there's no linkage). People like different clutch sensitivity to fit their shift type.

    Exhaust/intake - 2
    Driver's seat - 2
    Improved navigation software - 4
    Sequential gearbox - 3
    Gauge alert disable (manual) - 1
    Clutch customize - 3
    22" spinners - 1+++


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    Re: CTS and CTSV Design Flaws?

    Cal,
    I agree 100% with your comment about customers doing some level of customization.

    Example, I hate (and will never want) a gold trim kit. I hate the way it looks and it looks cheesy (no offense to those who like it). But offer a customer the option at the dealer will make some people happy.

    Customizing a car is something that everyone will do to some extent, its why you dont see 20 million of the same cars on the road right now.

    However, when it is virtually impossible to add a in car cell phone to the existing stereo system and use an existing microphone that is already installed in the car, that is stupid.

    My preference is that GM left MORE opportunity to do modifications... Example: I cant find a single way (easily or within warranty-no solder mods here) that will allow me to add an external video source to the very large LCD display that is cleanly installed in the car and I already paid for.

    I am somewhat tired of very proprietary systems where there is no room for modification, and I fear that GM (an other car makers) are headed this direction.

    ...However, I LOVE my V.....
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