I told u canadians...they want your cts

[LUVMY04V]

http://www.streetfire.net/2007/06/ca...-your-car.aspx



This stuff is crazy!!!!

[Wrestler07]

Luv I guess your weekly trip to Canada to sell smokes and buy cheap beer suddenly got changed huh? It's not a purge officer...

[LUVMY04V]

Originally Posted by Wrestler07

Luv I guess your weekly trip to Canada to sell smokes and buy cheap beer suddenly got changed huh? It's not a purge officer...

LOL yeah really though if you have an aftermarket intake they can crush your car


or exhaust this stuff is crazy

[Wrestler07]

Even the new driving law for Virginia are crazy and they only are for native Virginians... I haven't done my tint yet because I'm waiting to see how they get interpreted. Everything here now is either a felony or misdemeanor. If I get caught not using my turn signal it's a $300 fine due the day of court then two more additional $300 payments to DMV within 14 months. For a felony it's $1,000 payments! It's crazy and just doesn't make any sense. As bad as I want my tint I'm not paying a $900 ticket...

[cossie1msu]

Am I incorrect or its only if you are caught street racing. (i.e pulling upto a honda civic with a coffee can and gunning it then getting pulled over at 80mph in a 25mph school zone. I mean who wouldn't......)

Come on guys its obviously not going to be "oh you have an exhaust and I clocked you at 88 on the freeway, your car is going to hell Street Racer!"

[Coma]

I'm pretty sure it has more to do with what cossie1msu said and also if you have stolen parts or no VIN on the car. They are doing this in California also. You can bet every singe car that has been crushed has either been caught racing or has stolen parts/no VIN.

[peterbrowne]

Yea, but one car in York region, where Ontario tested this, was crushed because the license plate was held on by one bolt as the other one rusted.

[MikeB066]

First they came for the imports, and I did not say anything because I do not drive a ricer. Then they came for the musclecars, and I stood quiet because my musclecar is long gone. Then they took away the exotics and again, it did not affect me directly why cause trouble? When the finally came for my CTS, there was no one left to come to my defense...

Based on the linked article, the implementation is a stretch and could violate Canadian law. A sensible interpretation, like the laws in California, is pretty extreme on the surface but when you are busted, you are busted. In California they crush your car if you are caught street racing or as xocomaox pointed out have stolen parts in your car. Both are pretty clear violations of the law and if you know the law is against you and you roll the dice anyway, you get what is coming to you. On the other hand, some people with highly modified cars do not race on the street instead taking them to the track for drag or drift competitions, so the Ontario crack down seems excessive.

Then the real question becomes, what is the definition of street racing? It sounds like Ontario is trying to outlaw stupid driving, which is admirable except for the fact that you cannot legislate out stupidity. Dumb people make dumb decisions and will continue to do so until the end of time. Increasing the punishment will not be much of a deterrent unless you attack the cause, not the symptom.

[B0000rt]

This is probably in response to this incident:
http://www.torontosun.com/News/2007/06/21/4279163.html

Recap: Two Yankee doodles were racing down a highway that saw two huge street racing accidents in the past month, one of which killed a truck driver who swerved out of the way.

But to be honest, like any law, people blow it out of proportion. It's not like they're out to get you if you haven't done anything wrong. The Canadian coppers aren't like your average Georgian or Texas State Trooper... The law is probably in effect just so that if they catch you street racing, not only do you lose your license, but you get punished severely.

[kcammie]

[cossie1msu]

Nice flag you have stupid liberals here too...

This is dumb, it is a law designed to save lives because enough people "complained" about the issue. (period)

And next time never quote the Toronto Sun that is the most exaderated paper ever. If a building caught fire in Toronto they compare it to the 1800's fire in Boston.

[Coma]

Originally Posted by MikeB066

Then the real question becomes, what is the definition of street racing? It sounds like Ontario is trying to outlaw stupid driving, which is admirable except for the fact that you cannot legislate out stupidity. Dumb people make dumb decisions and will continue to do so until the end of time. Increasing the punishment will not be much of a deterrent unless you attack the cause, not the symptom.

Well said.

[dup's Cadi]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cr...et-racing.html

[MikeB066]

Yes, street racing kills people. So does drunk driving, driving while checking email or texting, driving while not paying attention because the driver is A) on the phone B) yelling at kids in the backseat C) generally irresponsible D) tired E) generally stupid...

Again, you cannot legislate against stupidity. I live in Texas and a friend of mine from high school was killed in the most gruesome fashion imaginable, as a passenger in a drunken street race. The driver lost control, my friend wasn't wearing his seatbelt, so he flew through the windshield when the vehicle hit a telephone pole and landed on a wrought iron fence where he bled out. Would stiffer penalties have stopped the driver of the pickup Jason was in from trying to race a Corvette? (No, I'm not kidding, even if it was a souped up hot rod pickup.) Jason was a great guy and a good friend, but he made the choice to ride along that night, and he and the driver both made the decision to drink. The fact that someone died seems a foregone conclusion to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, but that is the choice they made and stiffer penalties would not have curbed their decision making process. Thrill seekers are by definition not rational thinkers.

The proposed changes to Ontario law are cosmetic only, much like most legislative efforts aimed at curbing or preventing "bad" behavior. Idiots will be idiots regardless of the letter of the law. These laws are punitive against the minor offenders without dealing with the worst offenders because they are self eliminating, a lot like the poorly written drunk driving laws in the US. Most drunk driving fatalities result from drivers with blood alcohol levels (BAL) above .2 so to address the problem the BAL levels defining drunk from sober have been reduced from .1 to .08. Most people can blow a .08 after two drinks without a meal. Is that really addressing the core problem? No, but it makes it look like the legislators are trying to do something.

This kind of legislation demonizes and punishes a class of vehicle owner, not drivers. Case in point, a soccer-mom in a minivan runs down a jaywalker because she is changing DVD’s for the crying kids in the backseat vs. a teen in an import with a fart can who hits someone jaywalking, changing CD’s while driving next to another import with a fart can. Who’s getting the maximum punishment from the system as a reckless driver? Not the soccer mom because she does not fit the perceived model of a clear danger to society. Noooo! The irresponsible teen gets sent to “pound you in the a$$ prison” because they are a danger to society when soccer moms are more scary than ricer racers. At least with the ricers, you hear them from a mile away and know to look out.