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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

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    It would also give Lincoln the respect it needs if it wants to continue to be a serious contender in the marketplace.
    Excellent point. I see what many of you are saying, that Lincoln isn't trying to go after the V's or the M's, but just have a performance sedan. But I think they have to go above and beyond these ideas. A TT 3.5 liter would be pretty cool, but to earn respect, they have to do better.

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 90Brougham350 View Post
    Excellent point. I see what many of you are saying, that Lincoln isn't trying to go after the V's or the M's, but just have a performance sedan. But I think they have to go above and beyond these ideas. A TT 3.5 liter would be pretty cool, but to earn respect, they have to do better.
    I don't see what the big deal is. 415 hp is 415 hp whether is comes from a 4 cylinder or a V12

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    ^^ It is. But if Caddys came in a 300 hp 4 cylinder vs a 300 hp V8, I wouldn't be as happy. A V8 brings with it a certain sterotype regarding money.

    "A big car needs a big engine" is what I have heard many, many times. Not necessarly in regards to horse power, but size (cylinders and liters). And we must remember most people measure a car by the number of cylinders it has, hp & torque figures are second seat.

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    Plus, the power delivery that comes from an engine with more cylinders is more even and smooth, thus, associated with luxury.

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

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    Plus, the power delivery that comes from an engine with more cylinders is more even and smooth, thus, associated with luxury.
    I think BMW M3 owners would disagree with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh View Post
    I think BMW M3 owners would disagree with you...
    I bet they would!

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh View Post
    I think BMW M3 owners would disagree with you...
    But to me a M3 is a sports car first, luxury car second. And I don't think its a big car. The M5...probably.

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    The M3 is definitely sport first luxury a far second. The Cad500 puts out smooth, even power. The northstar puts out less smooth, even power, since it's aimed for a higher RPM range. An M3 I6 puts out nothing on the bottom end and everything on top.

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark0101 View Post
    The CTS-V is producing 400 HP right now with a 0-60 in 5.3,(from MSN) so at least lincoln will be with them and that good enough for lincoln right now. V8 isn't really needed to get the performance numbers now a days(my oppinion). The lexus IS350 is getting 0-60 in 5.3,(MSN) same as the 400 HP V8 CTS-v. It doesn't always have to be slower then the factory times, Look at the BMW 335i. Factory 5.5s but it has reported 4.8s, so it can turn out to be like that.
    A Cadillac Nazi Regional Service Advisor could get a better 0-60 time in a CTS-V. The IS350 is not the same performance car as the CTS-V.

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    This is all a moot point. Once Lincoln get's the super sedan built, it will all be for naught. The CTS-V, SRT-8's, M5's, E63's, S6's will all be at or near 500hp. A 400hp Lincoln will not be competitive and priced anywhere north of $40K will not sell. Price below $40K and they can't make money. Too little, too late.

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CVP33 View Post
    This is all a moot point. Once Lincoln get's the super sedan built, it will all be for naught. The CTS-V, SRT-8's, M5's, E63's, S6's will all be at or near 500hp. A 400hp Lincoln will not be competitive and priced anywhere north of $40K will not sell. Price below $40K and they can't make money. Too little, too late.
    I don't think it really matters. Considering the Navigator is their most powerful vehicle in the whole line up I would consider this a step in the right direction but not straight to the top

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CVP33 View Post
    This is all a moot point. Once Lincoln get's the super sedan built, it will all be for naught. The CTS-V, SRT-8's, M5's, E63's, S6's will all be at or near 500hp. A 400hp Lincoln will not be competitive and priced anywhere north of $40K will not sell. Price below $40K and they can't make money. Too little, too late.
    Doesn't matter. There will be people who want to buy MKS but will not settle for a weenie 3.5 V6. This is where the TT version would step in. BTW north of 40k would indeed sell IMO, just not TOO far north. Next gen CTS-V is going to be fairly far north of 50k..

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    A Cadillac Nazi Regional Service Advisor could get a better 0-60 time in a CTS-V. The IS350 is not the same performance car as the CTS-V.
    I am sure that they could get better 0-60 times for the CTS-V and same goes to the IS350 I am just pointing out that you don't need a V8 anymore to get the performance you want.

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    Re: Lincoln is coming back!!!

    No, it doesn't. CTS-Vs have regularly gotten low to mid 4's in the 0-60 sprint. I don't think I've ever seen any IS350 in the 4's. So no, the same cannot be said for the Lexus.

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