While I agree that the Europeans have it over us Americans in high end performance, racing heritage, etc. I would argue that, allowing for price, the argument can be made that you get more for less with the US offerings. Specifically what Cadillac and Chrysler have done with thier V and SRT models. The SRT covers literally all the bases with offerings from $24K (srt-4) up to $90K (srt-10 viper).
I'd rank them like this:
Performance - M
Class and cache - AMG
All season ass kicking - S (audi)
Making up ground quickly - V
Everyman's supertuner - SRT
Not living up to the name - SS
Going, going, gone - SVT (and yes you will be missed)
Why bother - R (Jaguar)
I'm sorry this is speed and performance, NOT let's play dress up - Mazdaspeed, TRD (Toyota) and S-Type/A-spec (Acura)
CVP,
While I agree on most points (Ive owned most of the car types mentioned - I read that SVT will produce a car and truck (likely the Cobra and Lightning) per year.
As for the SS label...strictly marketing anymore, no punch, no power.
For the Fusion yes for the Edge....ehhhh.....I'm not waiting for it but it would be interesting to see what they make of it. But the last I heard the SVT Fusion is supposed to have their new 3.5 V6 which is making 300 hp and then have SVT go through it and I could see a 350-400 hp Fusion. Just make sure it has a stick and it will be all good. And on top of the Edge and Fusion SVT already announced that they already have the GT500 and their next project will be a pickup. Maybe a return of the Lightning?
SVT is dead. Car & Driver, June 2006: Csaba Csere's "The Steering Column" - Ford drives its 13-year-old SVT group off a cliff. The last car coming out of the SVT group is the GT500, but it's de-emphasizing the SVT name. SVT was only the marketing unit of Ford. The engineering was performed by SVE, Special Vehicle Engineering. Random details...
SVT is dead. Car & Driver, June 2006: Csaba Csere's "The Steering Column" - Ford drives its 13-year-old SVT group off a cliff. The last car coming out of the SVT group is the GT500, but it's de-emphasizing the SVT name. SVT was only the marketing unit of Ford. The engineering was performed by SVE, Special Vehicle Engineering. Random details...
Posted May 22nd 2006 6:54AM by Erin Mays, Autoblog.Com
Ford spokespeople let it slip that the company is considering SVT variants of its new Edge crossover and Fusion sedan (pictured). The move would support Mark Field's statements last month that SVT is alive and well, and not on its deathbed as previously rumored. As it stands, the Mustang and an unidentified truck will get SVT upgrades, and the consolidation of SVT and Ford Racing, as well as the recent successes of the latter, will no doubt build excitement for the new vehicles.
[Source: Ward's AutoWorld]
(Thanks to Omar for the tip)
I cited my source. You cited yours. We'll see what happens. I don't want SVT to die. They have a nice multi-year history of producing fast, balanced, affordable powerful cars and trucks. The SVT Lightening was the fastest production truck on the road til the SRT-10 Ram came out.
The SVT Contour was a sick little ride and very affordable. A guy in my hometown wrapped his around a lightpole doing 120 coming off of an offramp.
One thing for sure is that you will see miniscule SVT badging on the GT500 Mustang.
definitely M....they only do cars that are out of the box pure handling cars...not like SRT or SS that does SUV's.....M only does manuals and no SUV's.....
focus blackout, focus. come back around on topic. But since you insist on arguing something that you're wrong on, here's the information.
From ferrariusa.com: The 612 Scagletti uses a new development of Ferrari's renowned six speed paddle shift manual transmission that can be used in fully automatic mode.
Lamborghini doesn't have quite as much information on their website, but this is from edmunds.com: e.gear also works remarkably well when put into full "Auto" mode and left to figure things out on its own.
IN the case of the SMG and other similar systems like Audi's DSG, there is a clutch, there is no torque converter. It is a manual system, that can operate as an automatic with no input from the driver, but it is, in essence a manual transmission.
It is also, in essence, an automatic transmission that requires no input from the driver.
I'm not knocking any SMG, DSG, F1, etc transmission. They're awesome feats of engineering and can shift faster than any human. I drove an A3 with the DSG and it is sick. The point of my initial post was to address the "M only makes manuals". So if you take the literal sequential manual gearbox, then I am wrong, but if you ask any gearhead if SMG, DSG, or F1 tranny is a manual, you'll get an earful.
An automatic transmission uses entirely different technology and uses a torque converter im place of a clutch mechanism. Most SMGs use a multi stage wet clutching system. The SMG in automatic operation does not have the torque converter or any other inefficiencies found in an automatic transmission. You cannot classify it as an automatic when its actual workings have more in common with a manual transmission.
Well I think you already have your mid made up as to what is an automatic and what is a manual. So basically no matter what anyone says they are wrong and you are right. Fair assessment?
Well I think you already have your mid made up as to what is an automatic and what is a manual. So basically no matter what anyone says they are wrong and you are right. Fair assessment?
i said one thing. I'm not the one who went to different websites to try and prove me wrong. I wasn't the one who has done about 10 posts telling all of us what a automatic and a manual is:thepan:
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