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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    I vote for AMG. I'd say M, but they don't cover enough models. For example, you can get a S65AMG but no M7.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh
    Can you honestly be excited about that though?
    For the Fusion yes for the Edge....ehhhh.....I'm not waiting for it but it would be interesting to see what they make of it. But the last I heard the SVT Fusion is supposed to have their new 3.5 V6 which is making 300 hp and then have SVT go through it and I could see a 350-400 hp Fusion. Just make sure it has a stick and it will be all good. And on top of the Edge and Fusion SVT already announced that they already have the GT500 and their next project will be a pickup. Maybe a return of the Lightning?

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    SVT is dead. Car & Driver, June 2006: Csaba Csere's "The Steering Column" - Ford drives its 13-year-old SVT group off a cliff. The last car coming out of the SVT group is the GT500, but it's de-emphasizing the SVT name. SVT was only the marketing unit of Ford. The engineering was performed by SVE, Special Vehicle Engineering. Random details...

    Quote Originally Posted by GERMEEZY1
    M only does manuals.....
    M does make an automatic. The new M5 is a 7 speed SMG. The 6MT is coming out this fall.

    My vote, The M division of BMW. Close 2nd, V-Series from Cadillac (but I'm biased).

    Good thread Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoCTS32
    SVT is dead. Car & Driver, June 2006: Csaba Csere's "The Steering Column" - Ford drives its 13-year-old SVT group off a cliff. The last car coming out of the SVT group is the GT500, but it's de-emphasizing the SVT name. SVT was only the marketing unit of Ford. The engineering was performed by SVE, Special Vehicle Engineering. Random details...
    Really?

    Ford Edge and Fusion to get SVT treatment?

    Posted May 22nd 2006 6:54AM by Erin Mays, Autoblog.Com


    Ford spokespeople let it slip that the company is considering SVT variants of its new Edge crossover and Fusion sedan (pictured). The move would support Mark Field's statements last month that SVT is alive and well, and not on its deathbed as previously rumored. As it stands, the Mustang and an unidentified truck will get SVT upgrades, and the consolidation of SVT and Ford Racing, as well as the recent successes of the latter, will no doubt build excitement for the new vehicles.

    [Source: Ward's AutoWorld]
    (Thanks to Omar for the tip)

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout
    Really?
    I cited my source. You cited yours. We'll see what happens. I don't want SVT to die. They have a nice multi-year history of producing fast, balanced, affordable powerful cars and trucks. The SVT Lightening was the fastest production truck on the road til the SRT-10 Ram came out.

    The SVT Contour was a sick little ride and very affordable. A guy in my hometown wrapped his around a lightpole doing 120 coming off of an offramp.

    One thing for sure is that you will see miniscule SVT badging on the GT500 Mustang.

    *Edited to satisfy Blackout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoCTS32
    One thing for sure is that you don't see an SVT badge on the GT500 Mustang.
    It says SVT on the valve cover and on the center cap on the wheels

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoCTS32
    M does make an automatic. The new M5 is a 7 speed SMG. The 6MT is coming out this fall.

    My vote, The M division of BMW. Close 2nd, V-Series from Cadillac (but I'm biased).
    Where's the Automatic in this picture? The SMG can operate automatically but it is NOT an automatic transmission.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by GERMEEZY1
    definitely M....they only do cars that are out of the box pure handling cars...not like SRT or SS that does SUV's.....M only does manuals and no SUV's.....
    If it "can" operate automatically, then it is an automatic transmission. If it has a clutch and individually selectable gears, it's a manual.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    Then what about F1 paddle shifters on Ferrari's and Lambo's?

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    focus blackout, focus. come back around on topic. But since you insist on arguing something that you're wrong on, here's the information.

    From ferrariusa.com: The 612 Scagletti uses a new development of Ferrari's renowned six speed paddle shift manual transmission that can be used in fully automatic mode.

    Lamborghini doesn't have quite as much information on their website, but this is from edmunds.com: e.gear also works remarkably well when put into full "Auto" mode and left to figure things out on its own.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoCTS32
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    If it "can" operate automatically, then it is an automatic transmission. If it has a clutch and individually selectable gears, it's a manual.
    IN the case of the SMG and other similar systems like Audi's DSG, there is a clutch, there is no torque converter. It is a manual system, that can operate as an automatic with no input from the driver, but it is, in essence a manual transmission.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    It is also, in essence, an automatic transmission that requires no input from the driver.

    I'm not knocking any SMG, DSG, F1, etc transmission. They're awesome feats of engineering and can shift faster than any human. I drove an A3 with the DSG and it is sick. The point of my initial post was to address the "M only makes manuals". So if you take the literal sequential manual gearbox, then I am wrong, but if you ask any gearhead if SMG, DSG, or F1 tranny is a manual, you'll get an earful.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    An automatic transmission uses entirely different technology and uses a torque converter im place of a clutch mechanism. Most SMGs use a multi stage wet clutching system. The SMG in automatic operation does not have the torque converter or any other inefficiencies found in an automatic transmission. You cannot classify it as an automatic when its actual workings have more in common with a manual transmission.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    It is also difficult to classify it as a manual transmission when it requires no input from the driver.

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    Re: M, AMG, SRT, V, SVT, SS, S (audi), R (jaguar) - Who's the best

    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoCTS32
    It is also difficult to classify it as a manual transmission when it requires no input from the driver.
    Well I think you already have your mid made up as to what is an automatic and what is a manual. So basically no matter what anyone says they are wrong and you are right. Fair assessment?

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