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    BMW 550i - What a waste

    I actually almost in a moment of weakness thought about maybe buying one of these M5 wannabe's. Or should I say a CTS-V wannabe. Here's the deal. The 550i bases at $59,095, dangerously close to the CTS-V. But to option the 550i the way a CTS-V or SRT-8 comes stock you'd need to spend almost $68,000! How's that for a bavarian broke back behinder? I thought this was the affordable barn stormer that was going to compete with the more American cars. Ehhhh, nice try fella's.

    BASE PRICE - $59,095
    Heated seats and headlamp washers - an extra $750
    6 disc changer in the glove box?! (you've got to be kidding me) - an extra $1,800
    Sport pkg. - traction control, dual power seats - an extra $2,300
    Keyless start and entry - an extra $1,000
    Navigation system - an extra $1,800
    Satellite Radio - an extra $595
    Side airbags - an extra $585

    Not so grand total = $67,925.

    With SRT-8's going for $45K and CTS-V's for $48K you have to ask yourself......is it really worth $20,000 more dollars to drive a slower car? I mean c'mon a CD changer in the glove box? Didn't GM do that in the 90's?

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    It's not all about speed. I personally hate the new 5 series, I think they are ugly. All I can say though is it's apples to oranges. Sit in the car. Listen to noise at highway speed. Drive the car to Florida form Michigan. I used to do it in my 540i Sport all the time before I sold it. I've been in a 300C, as well as SRT8. They do NOT compare. The 5 is so much more comfortable to drive, and to drive hard, that if you drove the car you would never have posted this.

    Driving the 5 gives you this message in the back of your head "You know you can take that 30 mph turn at 65 without slowing down" and "I want to go faster. You're going too slowly."

    With the 540i Sport 5spd Auto running 0-60 in 5.7-5.9 seconds, it's pretty quick too. It also has a very smooth transition to pushing it and overdoing it. Remember the first gen vipers? If you broke their limits by just a hair you'd go spinning off the road. This car's not like that. It tells you how hard you're pushing it by feel. I test drove the SRT8. No offense, but it's way the hell back where BMW was in the 1970s.

    The current 5 series has lost a little of the sporting demeanor, and is overpriced. I agree that the CD should be standard. Mine was in the trunk not the glove box, as is the one in my current one BMW.

    The bottom line is that if you drop prices, the BMW is better in every way except straight line speed, though at high speed, it's a much more assuring drive. Mine was natural at 150 MPH. The 300's floating and vibrating.

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    Re: BMW 550i - What a waste

    Quote Originally Posted by Zorb750
    It's not all about speed. I personally hate the new 5 series, I think they are ugly. All I can say though is it's apples to oranges. Sit in the car. Listen to noise at highway speed. Drive the car to Florida form Michigan. I used to do it in my 540i Sport all the time before I sold it. I've been in a 300C, as well as SRT8. They do NOT compare. The 5 is so much more comfortable to drive, and to drive hard, that if you drove the car you would never have posted this.

    Driving the 5 gives you this message in the back of your head "You know you can take that 30 mph turn at 65 without slowing down" and "I want to go faster. You're going too slowly."

    With the 540i Sport 5spd Auto running 0-60 in 5.7-5.9 seconds, it's pretty quick too. It also has a very smooth transition to pushing it and overdoing it. Remember the first gen vipers? If you broke their limits by just a hair you'd go spinning off the road. This car's not like that. It tells you how hard you're pushing it by feel. I test drove the SRT8. No offense, but it's way the hell back where BMW was in the 1970s.

    The current 5 series has lost a little of the sporting demeanor, and is overpriced. I agree that the CD should be standard. Mine was in the trunk not the glove box, as is the one in my current one BMW.

    The bottom line is that if you drop prices, the BMW is better in every way except straight line speed, though at high speed, it's a much more assuring drive. Mine was natural at 150 MPH. The 300's floating and vibrating.
    For the record the 300C SRT-8 is vault quiet unless your "on it". Also for the record it tracks nicely, no drama at 150mph or 173mph for that matter.

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    Re: BMW 550i - What a waste

    Impressive. I was in a regular 300C and it became unsettled at about 135-140. It felt like the front was on a waterbed.

    I think the current 5 is ugly though, do you see the resemblance to a Pontiac?

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    Re: BMW 550i - What a waste

    I think the car is worth the price tag. Its the crem de la crem of the luxury sedans and because Chrysler or Cadillac has a car thats faster for less money makes the 550i for less? After being in the CTS-V and the SRT-8 I can tell just by interior fit and finish as well as the quality of the interior of the BMW makes up the price tag. SRT-8 and CTS-V's interior is very plain and plasticy while the BMW's looks more refined and upscale. Speed doesn't justify price tags alone.

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    That must be one hell of a $20,000 interior. Let's see pool or interior. Let's see new boat or interior. Let's see dream vacation for 4 or interior. I think I made the right choice.

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    Re: BMW 550i - What a waste

    Quote Originally Posted by CVP33
    That must be one hell of a $20,000 interior. Let's see pool or interior. Let's see new boat or interior. Let's see dream vacation for 4 or interior. I think I made the right choice.
    Well if all you care about is going fast then yes you did make the right choice. But not everyone is looking at that and that only. BMW guys tend to be a little bit older and want the top of the line. If you want to compare the 550i to anything then it should be a regular CTS or a CHrysler 300 or 300C. Not the top of the line 300 and CTS. If you wanted to do that then you should be talking about the M5 which I think that price is quite justified.

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    Re: BMW 550i - What a waste

    You lost me. Compare a V8 powered sedan for roughly $50K (SRT-8 and CTS-V) to a V10, $100K sedan (M5). You're going to have to help me here, clearly I'm missing it.

    Your other example has me lost too. Compare a base V6 CTS and 300 for about $29K to a V8 powered 550i for around $68K. Again you have to help me here I'm not getting it.

    Thanks for your patience.

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    Ok... Pretty much you are (should be*) paying for a higher quality interior, better noise damping, the BMW's transmission is flawless, near telepathic, never seems to do the wrong thing, more adjustability of seats, more customizability and programmability of options, things like that. There are differences that are hard to just say outright. The feeling of closing the door, the self closing trunk (not just powered pulldown) even by remote. The adaptive headlamps and brake lights. The hoods that never get stuck down unlike a lot of GM products, no clue if any Chryslers do this.

    All that being said, I think the e39 5 series was a work of art compared to this current car. The newer car is marginally faster and quieter, and I do mean marginally. A 2000 540i 5 speed Auto Sport does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, normal 540i 5 speed Auto does 6.0, and the 540i Sport 6 Speed manual 5.6. BMW claims 5.6, 5.9, 5.4 respectively BTW, but these numbers are Car & Driver and Road & Track magazines, which I consider more accurate. Same numbers were in each.

    I guess you just have to feel the solidity of the car to appreciate it, the old one more than the new one. As I think I indicated before, I am not a current 5 series fan. To put it mildly, I think it has way more plastic than my 540i Sport had, and it lighter everything, but it's still more solid than any 300, CTS, or STS. No, it's not as fast as the SRT8, CTS-V, or STS-V.

    Whoever that was that said the CTS-V could outperform the e39 M5 is on crack BTW. I've seen track times and average speed for each, only GM's test (and on a preproduction car too) had it ahead of the M5. No test on a production car has been very close at all. Kind of like that 300C that got sent to Car&Driver before the model came out. The "Rocketlike" in their words 5.4 second 0-60, the 330-something HP they dynoed it at both led to more than a few angry words bring written by the magazine about that business after the production car came out, dynoing 28x HP and running 6.4.

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    Re: BMW 550i - What a waste

    Zorb,

    Please find some reports of CTS-V and 5 series track times. I'd be interested in seeing those. The only ones I was able to find were C&D or MT's that showed the CTS-V beating both the M5 and the M3. I'd be interested in seeing your track times.

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    "Around the Nürburgring, the V is heroic. Without trying too hard, we were able to lap in less than nine minutes, just four seconds shy of our best time in the ultimate pre-993 Porsche 911, the RS 3.8. John Heinricy, director of high-performance vehicles for GM's Performance Division, has gone around the circuit in eight minutes and nineteen seconds, which is better than the current M3 has managed to do."

    The M3 is quicker around a track than the old M5 and certainly better than a 540 or 550i. Using the transitive property, the CTS-V is better than the M3, M5 (old), 540 and 550i.

    Here's a link:

    http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._v/index1.html

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    We also enjoy the fact that the "sport" in this sport sedan has as much to do with finesse as speed. Through our slalom, the CTS-V feels responsive and easily controllable-more like a sports car than a 3800-plus pound sedan-even with all electronic aids switched off. The CTS-V works the cones best under power, which keeps the rears solidly planted. Its 46.2-mph top speed through the 490-foot course bests the E55 (42.9) and the last-gen M5 (44.0), even with a wheelbase that stretches longer than either. Only the M3 and C32-which are at least six inches shorter between the axles-come close, at 46.0 and 45.1 mph, respectively. Through it all, the CTS-V exhibits only the barest hint of body roll.
    The Caddy will also power around our 200-foot skidpad with a moderate amount of understeer, staying balanced with the smallest throttle inputs and pulling 0.88 gs in the process.


    Bringing the whole show to a stop, its brakes-and a terrific set of Goodyear Eagle F1s-pull the CTS-V down from 60 mph in an M5-matching 112 feet (and besting all other aforementioned competitors). No dive, no drama, just a lot of serious negative gs.

    Clearly on the test above the CTS-V outgunned the old M5 so again using the transitive property I would have to conclude that the CTS-V will out handle the 540 and 550i.

    Here's another link:
    http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answe...w-article.html

    I think I'm done with this thread for awhile until I see some conclusive evidence regarding the handling prowess of the 540 and 550i. I need facts to stay entertained.

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    The same owners did have a few complaints. The shifter could be more precise, its throws shorter and the clutch effort not so light, most said. Why the CTS-V lacks steering-wheel audio and nav controls present on the base car perplexed many. Some still complained about the presence of hard plastic bits on the door panels and dash, others about the lack of space to rest the left arm. The two biggest gripes involved the foot-operated parking brake (just plain stupid) and excessive wind noise around the doors.
    This sums up most of it right there.

    I never said the 540 or 550 were better on track than CTS-V. I said the M5 was. Get me a comparison of the RS6 in there, other than just a mention. Mentioning that car in this game is a mistake. I almost bought one. I bought the 7 instead. I looked at the M5 too. I didn't want a manual transmission because I drive in cities too much. As a toy ok, as an every-other-day car, no.

    I can just tell you that I've seen the M5 and CTS-V on a track. The M5 usually does better. It's definitely a better car, even if it were slower either way. At least your average M5 will still operate, and be driven, in 15 years. That disco Cadillac will be rusting in a junkyard.

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    Again I'll just wait for some facts to respond to. Saying something is "disco rust" or whatever really doesn't get me too riled up. I'll just wait for some facts as everyone has opinions.

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