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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Cadillac needs it's Lincoln as Lincoln needs it's Cadillac.
    Yeah right, not any more. While Lincoln was trying to pass off its LS as a decent car, Cadillac was busy building itself as a world-class luxury car company, and guess what? Cadillac CTS sales pretty much PWNED the Lincoln LS BIG TIME.

    And, Cadillac went from being the old mans car, to the hip, cool brand it once was. I mean, 10 years ago, if you had said that in 2005 there would be a Cadillac with manual transmission and a 400HP 'Vette engine, they would have laughed at you, but as usual, Cadillac pretty much did a 180, just like when they brought out the 300HP Northstar 12 years ago, and people pretty much were like - "You mean, Cadillac doesn't have a crappy V8 engine anymore?!"

    It just goes to show, while Lincoln sat around and waited for something, GM took the initiative to make Cadillac into pretty much the greatest luxury car company EVER!

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Quote Originally Posted by addison_ii
    Yeah I think that was Washington. But I liked the outro though.
    Lincoln built a log cabin. I looked it up. So yeah, he chopped shit down too.

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Quote Originally Posted by ben72227
    Yeah right, not any more. While Lincoln was trying to pass off its LS as a decent car, Cadillac was busy building itself as a world-class luxury car company, and guess what? Cadillac CTS sales pretty much PWNED the Lincoln LS BIG TIME.
    Alright, can't disagree with the CTS sales numbers, but Cadillac needs Lincoln, Lincoln needs Cadillac, and that's how it is. Frankly, I love Lincoln. They're alot like Cadillac before the V family was born. Come on guys, Cadillac cannot be the only American luxury brand. Americans need a good defense against Audis, BMWs, and especially Hyundai's future luxury brand (for sure). Unfortunately, Lincoln needs a serious shot of adrenaline to keep it competitive. I really don't know if I believe it has the chance, I mean, Ford has too much canabalization with Jaguar around to want to make Lincoln a more agile brand, but if they don't compete with Cadillac, they're loosing out. Lincoln needs to be building comparable models to Cadillac to keep Cadillac honest. You can't kill one brother for the benefit of the other, sibling rivalry is a good thing. Look where it got Cain. Keep Lincoln strong, keep Cadillac strong.

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Quote Originally Posted by ben72227

    just like when they brought out the 300HP Northstar 12 years ago, and people pretty much were like - "You mean, Cadillac doesn't have a crappy V8 engine anymore?!"

    the 4.9 isnt crappy!

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    the 4.9 isnt crappy!
    Yeah yeah yeah, all of the Aluminum OHV engines of the 80s PALE in comparison to the Northstar, period. Sure, the 4.9 isn't crappy, when compared to the V8-6-4, or the Diesel 350, but the Northstar pretty much blows it out of the water...I mean, the Northstar has LIMP HOME MODE, Hello?!

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    THe Navigateor is poor compared to the Escalade
    I must disagree, the Navigator is the champion (of interior). The Escalade has the best exterior styling except the '07 is horrible, but the interior of the Navigator is not any re-badged Expedition. I've been in both, and I'd take the Navigator anyday.

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Quote Originally Posted by ben72227
    Yeah yeah yeah, all of the Aluminum OHV engines of the 80s PALE in comparison to the Northstar, period. Sure, the 4.9 isn't crappy, when compared to the V8-6-4, or the Diesel 350, but the Northstar pretty much blows it out of the water...I mean, the Northstar has LIMP HOME MODE, Hello?!
    I admit the Northstar is much more technically advanced and has a lot more power (70-100hp more), don't get me wrong, the Northstar IS a better motor. But for what it is, the 4.9 isn't bad. It's torquey, reliable, good on gas (16-17mpg average), easy to work on and maintain, pretty low maintenance, and when you consider that it came from the HT4100, It looks pretty good

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Yeah, yeah, you just wish you had a N*

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    I kind of do! A N* deville concours or STS

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    What exactly is "Limp Home Mode?"

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    I believe it cuts power to 4 cylinders or something like that

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    When it loses coolant it will shut off the injection for 4 cylinders, different ones every cycle. The "off" cyls just pump air to cool the engine.

    Anyway Cadillac does not need Lincoln. That's like saying Microsoft needs Apple. No way. Cadillac is taking on the international brands and doing well, Lincoln has stagnated in the spot Cadillac was in 1990.

    The LS was better than the CTS in almost every way but two, POWER and styling. Understated class is good for fullsizes like Town Car, but the segment buying entry level luxury wants something more flashy. An SVT LS would've done for Lincoln what the CTS-V did for Cadillac, but it didn't materialize. The Zephyr is getting the styling right for sure, but it really could use some cojones to get moving. SVT Zephyr... mmmmmm

    I've heard plenty of rumors of a Mark IX being under development. I sure hope it is, 300hp base, 450hp blown LSC...

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedyArizona
    I must disagree, the Navigator is the champion (of interior). The Escalade has the best exterior styling except the '07 is horrible, but the interior of the Navigator is not any re-badged Expedition. I've been in both, and I'd take the Navigator anyday.
    It seems to me that the Escalade sells better....

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Now that would be something special. I really believe though, that you can't just get rid of Lincoln. Lincoln (while certainly not Cadillac) is one of those classic American brands.

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    Re: Ford Design Chief: "Lincoln off Priority List.."?

    Quote Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792

    Here's what Lincoln should do:
    -Bring back the Mark series, make it compete with, CLK, 6 series (V6, V8, hi po V8) possible convertible???
    -Bring back RWD Continental, make it compete with A6, 5 Series, E Class, flagship (V6, V8, Hipo V8)
    -Redo Town Car, bring it up-market, compete with LS430 & Q45 (more modern design, 6 seat configuation optional, more power, more engine choices, but it should stay same price, little more expensive, maybe have 2 types of Town Cars, one to stay true to loyal customers, one to get more younger customers) (DOHC 4.6 V8, Hi po V8, possibly Jag 4.0 liter)
    - Downsize the Navigator, make it compete with Range Rover and what not
    - Make a convertible, compete with XLR and SL
    - Make smaller sports sedan, compete with CTS, 3 series, A4, C class
    I think If Lincoln does this, they will gain more sales, and they will slowly get the reputation of Cadillac. The biggest problem I see with this is that Bill Ford may not want to give more money to Lincoln when hes got too look over Jaguar Volvo, and Land Rover also.
    The problem with that theory is that the Ford people have decided that they can't make any money with that strategy.

    How many CLK's are sold every year? Why compete for that market?

    How much would it cost to downsize the Navigator and make it different than the Expedition?

    Another cost-saving measure is the similarity between the Crown Vic and the Town Car.

    How many people who are seriously considering Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti, and Jag even give Lincoln a second thought?

    It's all about the money. They're trying to position the company with what models are most likely to sell in the next ten years. It's an upscale Ford or Mercury. A lot of their customers are loyal Ford people trading up.

    I'm not even sure that Lincoln is trying very hard to compete with Cadillac anymore. It's not about prestige anymore. It's strictly bottom line.

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