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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh
    Cars are chipped from the factory based upon their suspension and speed rating of their tires. Factory Z-rated tires mean a lot.
    GT Mustangs are also over-rated by fanboys. If it doesn't have Saleen or Cobra on it: .
    After re-reading his post I misinterperted *sp?* it. But yeah Z rated tires are nice but no Caddy is going to get anywhere near those speeds that Z rated tires are for. At the most W rated or maybe V rated will be tops for a Caddy. Z rated is just to make a car sound more sporty ie., my Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V came with Z rated tires but the highest I got it up too was 142 mph and it wasn't going much faster then that

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    Z-rated tires are rated at 149mph +. ETC's and STS's are limited at 150mph. And about my good time with the Mustang, we got up to about 110mph with me ahead the whole way(must have not have been a good driver, I manually shifted the entire time) and he let off. I kept going. He got scared. So I win.

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by 94ETC
    Z-rated tires are rated at 149mph +. ETC's and STS's are limited at 150mph. And about my good time with the Mustang, we got up to about 110mph with me ahead the whole way(must have not have been a good driver, I manually shifted the entire time) and he let off. I kept going. He got scared. So I win.
    Awesome

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    i drove a 1994 Lincoln Mark 8.i am already the proud owner of a 94 Seville STS.i drove the Lincoln,and was not impressed with the power of the 4.6Litre enge.it just felt weak,and goofy.the air suspension was silly.the owner had to wait after he started it to make the bags rise up.i laughed to myself,and test drove it any way.boy was i glad that i did'nt waste money on buying that car.from a stand still,my STS just felt like it pulled harder from out of the hole.the lincoln,just did'nt feel like my Caddy.i thought that i was missing out on something with buying a Mark VIII,but i guess not.my duals sound alot better and have a deeper raspy note,and resonate better than that Lincoln that i drove.

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haleykeek
    i drove a 1994 Lincoln Mark 8.i am already the proud owner of a 94 Seville STS.i drove the Lincoln,and was not impressed with the power of the 4.6Litre enge.it just felt weak,and goofy.the air suspension was silly.the owner had to wait after he started it to make the bags rise up.i laughed to myself,and test drove it any way.boy was i glad that i did'nt waste money on buying that car.from a stand still,my STS just felt like it pulled harder from out of the hole.the lincoln,just did'nt feel like my Caddy.i thought that i was missing out on something with buying a Mark VIII,but i guess not.my duals sound alot better and have a deeper raspy note,and resonate better than that Lincoln that i drove.
    Just by going on you saying that he had to wait for the bags to fill up after the car wa started is leading me to believe that the car was a total POS. One of the first things that happened to my Mark VIII was the air bag system got canned and I replaced them with a coilover conversion with a 2" drop and then a tuneup and boy did that make a difference. And even before then the day I picked it up I raced Katshot with his FTS (14.5 1/4 if you didn't know) and with my car being bone stock we hit it and I was slowly pulling on him. I've driven a few N* powered cars and I wasn't really impressed. I mean yeah it did have some omph to it but I still think that the 4.6 in the Mark VIII felt more powerful. And on top of it Mark VIII = RWD, 94 STS = FWD. I think the choice is kinda obvious!

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    RWD isn't everything. Can you drive the car in the snow? No. Totally useless where I am. I have driven many a Mark VIIIs and my Northstar has more of a powerful pull when you nail it. It just feels more powerfull(it is). My brother drives a 1998 Mark VIII LSC and after him recently giving up on trying to beat me in my ETC(racing) he finally agrees with me that my car feels more powerful. I have never run my car up at the track but he has and he usually gets around 14.5 or 14.6 in the 1/4 mile with his Mark. I have always beaten him racing by at the least 5 car lengths. My ETC is totally stock BTW.

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    14.5, what kind of mods is he running? The stock 98 LSC should only get you about 15.2-15.5. While I agree that the cadillac is faster than the Mark, I highly doubt that you are beating him by 5 car lengths, espically if he really is running 14.5's.

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    after looking at your screen icon,i can see that you're a die-hard fordnatic.and that's your hang-up.i still think that lincoln goofed with that silly airbag setup.any way,i'm still leaning toward the NORTHSTAR POWER because at least they're highly reliable,sound better,and pull harder.my cousin has a 95 Mark VIII,and he's having the same problem.sagging and bagging.don't get me wrong, Lincoln had a good idea,just too bad they killed it like the LS,blackwood,and continental, in terms of poor sales.and if i'm not mistaken,the Seville STS,and ETC were rated as high as 300bhp.Lincoln did'nt get a "300"bhp motor.they rated the LSC as high as 290bhp.not to be funny,but i've never had a Lincoln pull away from my STS .i guess that's because they were too busy trying to catch me.the nicest looking Lincoln,Ford ever built,was the 1990-92 Mark-7 LSC,and that's with the 5.0 motor.if you had said something in terms of one of them,i would've believed you,but not the 1993-98 mark VIII.those cars are turds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout
    Just by going on you saying that he had to wait for the bags to fill up after the car wa started is leading me to believe that the car was a total POS. One of the first things that happened to my Mark VIII was the air bag system got canned and I replaced them with a coilover conversion with a 2" drop and then a tuneup and boy did that make a difference. And even before then the day I picked it up I raced Katshot with his FTS (14.5 1/4 if you didn't know) and with my car being bone stock we hit it and I was slowly pulling on him. I've driven a few N* powered cars and I wasn't really impressed. I mean yeah it did have some omph to it but I still think that the 4.6 in the Mark VIII felt more powerful. And on top of it Mark VIII = RWD, 94 STS = FWD. I think the choice is kinda obvious!
    i can see where you come from by looking at your screen icon,and that's your problem.however,i still have to say this without prejudice.i'm not impressed with the Lincoln Mark VIII.Ford killed that car,because of one reason:"they could'nt sell them because of the ETC." my cousin is having problems with airbags now.the magazines had the Lincoln Mark VIII in the mid to low 15's.the ETC cracked the 14's.and that's in stock trim.my 94 STS has nothing more than a shift kit,and a pair of high flow turbos,and it sounds great.i've seen several Lincolns with the mufflers removed,to get a deeper,and throater sound.i have all of my cat's still in place,and with the duals,it just sounds better,and deeper than that Lincoln.when i test drove the 94 Mark VIII,it just did'nt have a "seat of the pants" feel that my North Star has.i'm sure with a set of headers,throtle-body,chip,pulleys,gear-swap,filter removed or change,louder pipes,and an X-pipe,we might see a change in performance with the mark,but how much are we're spending to catch a stock STS? get my drift? you sitched your bags for springs? how much was that? and i can assure you that your Mark was definitely not stock.you dumped a ton of money to catch a stock car? wow,i bet you feel good now,don't you? what a joke.that's like a pimple faced kid putting on a different pulley,and adding nitrous on his Cobra to "get near" a last-years corvette.wow,i bet you felt great,now don't you.

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by 94ETC
    I have never run my car up at the track but he has and he usually gets around 14.5 or 14.6 in the 1/4 mile with his Mark. I have always beaten him racing by at the least 5 car lengths. My ETC is totally stock BTW.
    Yeah ummm......ok. BTW The 2nd gen Mark VIII's are slower then the first gen's due to OBDII and the car weighing more. lol........14.5's and your beating him by 5 car lengths in stock trim

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haleykeek
    after looking at your screen icon,i can see that you're a die-hard fordnatic.and that's your hang-up.
    And how is the my hang up? I've owned both a Cadillac and 2 Lincoln's.
    i still think that lincoln goofed with that silly airbag setup.
    I suggest you take a look under a Caddy sometime.
    any way,i'm still leaning toward the NORTHSTAR POWER because at least they're highly reliable,sound better,and pull harder.
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...earchid=107578 here's a link to a search i did on here with all the threads about N* blown headgaskets and how thats a normal thing for those engines. Go over to a Ford 4.6 forum and do a search on headgasket problems and you wo't see that there. lol.....Northstar more reliable

    my cousin has a 95 Mark VIII,and he's having the same problem.sagging and bagging.
    Ok and? The air bag system is quite good and was ahead of its time with it lowering itself at higher speeds for better aerodynamics and better gas mileage. My airbags went on the fritz so I replaced them with a coil over conversion with a 2" drop, $500 for the whole conversion for the car and about 1 1/2 hours of labor and your all done. If the air bags are the worst thing you have to worry about I'll take that anyday over my engine blowing.
    don't get me wrong, Lincoln had a good idea,just too bad they killed it like the LS,blackwood,and continental, in terms of poor sales.
    Contiental was a POS, LS had potential but they never gave the V8 model a stick shift and the Blackwod was a nice truck but they over priced it a wee bit. But thats the same thing that is going on with the XLR-V. They way over priced that thing!
    and if i'm not mistaken,the Seville STS,and ETC were rated as high as 300bhp. Lincoln did'nt get a "300"bhp motor.they rated the LSC as high as 290bhp.
    Now your bragging about having 10 extra crank hp? Oh yeah well atleast the Mark VIII had real wood in its interior unlike the plastic stuff from Cadillac!
    not to be funny,but i've never had a Lincoln pull away from my STS .i guess that's because they were too busy trying to catch me.
    Have you brought your car to the track yet? If so what kinda 1/4 did you run? I ran a 14.921 @ 96.75 mph with a bad MLPS sensor and a slipping tranny.
    the nicest looking Lincoln,Ford ever built,was the 1990-92 Mark-7 LSC,and that's with the 5.0 motor.if you had said something in terms of one of them,i would've believed you,but not the 1993-98 mark VIII.those cars are turds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well the Mark VIII came out in 1984 and there were no major body changes so I guess you would need to change that too 1984-1992. But I owned a 1986 Mark VII LSC as well and the Mark VIII would run laps around the VII like there was nothing to it. I truly think that you have no idea as to what your talking about

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haleykeek
    i can see where you come from by looking at your screen icon,and that's your problem.
    Is there an echo in here? How many times are you going to say that? Your problem is that all you see is the Cadillac crest and thats all there is to you.
    however,i still have to say this without prejudice.i'm not impressed with the Lincoln Mark VIII.
    Ok once again is there an echo?
    Ford killed that car,because of one reason:"they could'nt sell them because of the ETC."
    ok you keep on telling yourself that. As long as it makes you sleep better at night
    my cousin is having problems with airbags now.
    OMG dude your killing me! How many times are you going to say the same thing to me!?

    the magazines had the Lincoln Mark VIII in the mid to low 15's.the ETC cracked the 14's.and that's in stock trim.
    OMG!? I must have a factory freak!!! I broke the 14's with a f'd up tranny in stock trim! HOW COULD THIS BE!? Oh yeah because magazine tests didn't know how to get the best times out of Mark VIII's. To get the best ET's out of a Mark VIII you turn of the traction control, O/D off, and you manually shift the gears and tada! Instant 14's! BTW stock Mark VIII's have hit as low as 14.2 in stock trim with the LSC's. Can you show me some stock ETC's hitting those times?
    my 94 STS has nothing more than a shift kit,and a pair of high flow turbos,and it sounds great.
    I'm sure the shift kit is really adding some nice sound to your exhaust
    i've seen several Lincolns with the mufflers removed,to get a deeper,and throater sound.i have all of my cat's still in place,and with the duals,it just sounds better,and deeper than that Lincoln.
    http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...51D4F58960.htm check out what some true Mark VIII's are like. And the stock exhaust is restricted as hell because Ford didn't want the car to be made up into a racer. But seeing that it has the same motor as that of the later on Mustang Cobra and those cars sounding real nice with an exhaust I'm sure you can get a Mark VIII to sound the same.

    when i test drove the 94 Mark VIII,it just did'nt have a "seat of the pants" feel that my North Star has.i'm sure with a set of headers,throtle-body,chip,pulleys,gear-swap,filter removed or change,louder pipes,and an X-pipe,we might see a change in performance with the mark,but how much are we're spending to catch a stock STS? get my drift?
    Congrats you truly are the biggest moron I have met on this forum.
    you sitched your bags for springs? how much was that?
    $500
    and i can assure you that your Mark was definitely not stock.you dumped a ton of money to catch a stock car?
    i paid $4000 for the car a few days after I bought it the level ride sensors went on the fritz and I wasn't looking to spend over a grand to buy new airbags and struts so I bought the conversion kit and me and Katshot installed them in our driveway. Other then that the only thing I did to the car was do a tune up and thats all that was done to my car when I took it to the track. At least I brought my car to the track to see what I could do with it. After I went to the track I put on an exhaust but never got a chance to bring ti back to the track.
    wow,i bet you feel good now,don't you? what a joke.that's like a pimple faced kid putting on a different pulley,and adding nitrous on his Cobra to "get near" a last-years corvette.wow,i bet you felt great,now don't you.
    Yeah I do feel good that with my stock Mark VIII will keep up with a stock ETC

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout
    I suggest you take a look under a Caddy sometime.

    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...earchid=107578 here's a link to a search i did on here with all the threads about N* blown headgaskets and how thats a normal thing for those engines. Go over to a Ford 4.6 forum and do a search on headgasket problems and you wo't see that there. lol.....Northstar more reliable

    Now your bragging about having 10 extra crank hp? Oh yeah well atleast the Mark VIII had real wood in its interior unlike the plastic stuff from Cadillac!
    Couple issues with your post there blackout...

    Caddys have airbags in the rear only, which means you'd have roughly half the chance of the system failing.

    Modulars have their own issues. They are far from perfect. You know this.

    Caddys have real wood as well, if you want a pic of the back side of the ashtray piece from my car you could probably see the grain. Remind me to kick my friend in the shin a couple times for prying it off...

    And when did you buy another Mark VIII? Or are you just talking about the old one?

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Quote Originally Posted by davesdeville
    Couple issues with your post there blackout...

    Caddys have airbags in the rear only, which means you'd have roughly half the chance of the system failing.

    Modulars have their own issues. They are far from perfect. You know this.

    Caddys have real wood as well, if you want a pic of the back side of the ashtray piece from my car you could probably see the grain. Remind me to kick my friend in the shin a couple times for prying it off...

    And when did you buy another Mark VIII? Or are you just talking about the old one?
    Just talking about the old one since this guy doesn't even know that I don't even have it anymore. But yeah I knew they were just in the rear not in the front. I was just stating that for crapping on the Lincoln's for the airbags that Caddy uses the same thing damn near on their cars. oh yeah btw don't forget to kick you friend in the shin couple times

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    Re: Mistake an ETC for a Lincoln?

    Actually, you're BOTH wrong Cadillac doesn't use air-bag suspension at all. The term "air-bag" describes an "air-spring" which is used on the Ford cars but NOT on Cadillacs. Cadillac uses air-shocks only.
    For what it's worth, you ALL sound like a bunch of kids arguing in studyhall. This thread should've been left to die. Thanks 94ETC for bringing it back from the dead.

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