I wanted to know how well you thought cadillac (namely seville and deville) stacks up against the competition, that is, other luxuary cars. Here is a brief list of cars that i thought of off the top of my head, and all these are assumed to be latest model unless otherwise stated. There is going to be many cars with higher price, because i think that cadillac can compare with these
Lexus LS400/430
MB S class
Lincoln Town car
Audi A8
Jaguar XJ series
BMW 5/7 series
Infiniti Q45
Lexus LS 400/430
These are just a few that i have thought of, please include more if you think there are.
Overall, i think a cadillac is very comprable in the area of performance, although there are some where it is faster and some where it is slower. As far as comfort, I think that there is almost nothing better than a cadillac. Sure, there will be other "conveniences" (like power headrests and pointless stuff like that) in other cars, but overall comfort is second to none. The only thing i see them lacking in is build quality, although i have to say that they have improved over the past 5 years or so. I think that is what seperates them. Back in the 80s when cadillac made their "turn for the worst", I think that took a lot off their name. If you want to be known by what you drive and you have money, they see that in a lexus or BMW moreso than in a cadillac.
I dunno I think most bimmers are sports sedans then there are Z3s and Z8s. there isn't much of a clear line that defines a a really nice car that happens to be fast and a sports car
you know its probably me, i see something like a Z3 and I think GT...like a nice miata..fun in the turns but no power...tome a "sports car" has to have power...maybe you can change my mind devil, but i want to know why to you the M3 is not a sports car, you said before it was never meant to be, but im wondering why you think its not a sports car, maybe im looking at this the wrong way or something.
Upscale cars
Near luxury
Acura CL
Acura TL
Audi A6/S6 BMW 3 series
Buick Park Avenue
Cadillac CTS
Chrysler 300M
Chrysler Pacifica
Infiniti FX45
Infiniti I35
Infiniti G35
Jaguar X-type
Lexus ES 300
Lexus IS 300/Sport Cross
Lincoln LS
Mercedes C class
Nissan Murano
Oldsmobile Aurora
Saab 9-5
Volvo Cross Country
Volvo 70 series
Volvo 80 series
Luxury
Acura RL
Audi allroad
Audi A8/S8
BMW 5 series
BMW 7 series BMW M3
Cadillac DeVille
Cadillac Seville
Infiniti Q45
Infiniti M45
Jaguar S-type
Jaguar XJ
Lexus GS 300
Lexus GS 430
Lexus LS 430
Lexus SC 430
Lincoln Continental
Lincoln Town Car
Mercedes CLK
Mercedes E class
Mercedes S-class
Volkswagen Phaeton
Premium
Bentley all models
Maybach all models (2004)
Mercedes CL
Rolls-Royce all models
Sporty cars
Touring
Ford Mustang
Mazda Miata
Mazda RX8 (2004)
Mini Cooper
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Nissan 350Z
Pontiac GTO (2004)
Toyota Celica
Toyota MR2 Spyder
Volkswagen Cabrio
Lower Premium
Audi TT
BMW Z4
Chrysler Crossfire (2004)
Ford Thunderbird
Honda S2000
Main Entry: sports car
Function: noun
Date: 1928
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving
so hotrod...it seems your posts are in conflict...the M3 fits the definition but it wasnt in the auto news market classification under sporty...and to KC no fair on the inside jokes especially when im the only one on here who cant see it
A sports car might have a jump seat, Porsche has since 1948. But when it has a true rear seat, it ceases to be a true sports car.
Look at the values of the 1960's 2+2 Ferrari's. Why do they stay so low, while the two seaters command top dollar? They weren't 'sports cars'. They were GT's. Grand Tourers.
But like I said earlier, the definitions are starting to get blurred.
your definition included the word "usually" when it refered to backseats and although i have no numbers my guess is an M3 is not much higher off the ground than a stang or camaro...the fact is as ive said a hundred times in two different threads it is hard to define, but hotrod you still must insist im wrong, even though you know there are examples of non-low 2+2 sports cars all over the place you even brought up a ferrari 2 posts later....i believe its a sports car you dont lets leave it at that...i can counter all your arguments and you can counter all mine and when devil shows up later he'll say im wrong too, but either way i still believe its a sports car
woo hoo edmunds agrees with me i can stay in the US...didnt realize the saint/devil thing i guess im screwed either way..oh well ive had the flu all week i probably wont remember any of this anyway
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