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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by davesdeville
    I know this stuff I was just seeing if blackout would either give it no credit and say a 15 or give it too much credit and post low 14 or post the actual time I'd expect. Mine's a lot slower but I'm blaming my 5300' asl altitude..
    Here, I'll give you a range:

    14.1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9

    As you can see, I have covered all bases in the 14 second range.

    All kidding aside, I have heard the mid-high 14 second claims over and over again. Therefore, I'll agree: the ETC for '95 is a mid to high 14 second car.

    And with regards to Hyundai, I like their current styling and they're gaining real credit in a strong market. A Hyundai is something I'll never own or drive, but I give them credit for holding steady in a loyal and decent base in the market when compared to five years ago.

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    If I ever aspire to own a Hyundai, someone, please shoot me!

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    I think that's probably what many people thought about Toyota a while back and now look at how many people want a Lexus.
    The Badge on the car means nothing to me, nor does it's country of origin. I take every car individually, and look at it on it's own merits.
    That said, Hyundai is a car company that is making constant progress in the world market and more specifically the American market. IMO, most open-minded people would agree that the Sonata is a great car and when you factor in the sticker price, it's hard to beat. Bang for the buck means a lot to me.

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    Not to mention that when this car comes out you get the 10 year/100,000 warranty also

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    i think hyundai is going to have the same dilemma that volkswagen might have involving the phaeton. Is anyone really going to go out and buy a luxury sedan with the "H" on the grille? Will they take Hyundai seriously? Or will they be stuck to their image of cheap, fuel efficent, reliable cars?

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792
    i think hyundai is going to have the same dilemma that volkswagen might have involving the phaeton. Is anyone really going to go out and buy a luxury sedan with the "H" on the grille? Will they take Hyundai seriously? Or will they be stuck to their image of cheap, fuel efficent, reliable cars?
    Good point. Even Hyundai agrees. In recent statement, a top exec mentioned that they needed to keep the price of the new flagship model under $30K because he didn't think anybody was ready to be paying over $30K for a Hyundai! That's why they should bring out a seperate line just as Toyota, Nissan, and Honda did.

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    But the reasons Honda, Toyota, and Nissan introduced their luxury divisions are quite different than the reason Hyundai should. Personally, I hope this car bombs just like the Phaeton.

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by 90Brougham350
    But the reasons Honda, Toyota, and Nissan introduced their luxury divisions are quite different than the reason Hyundai should. Personally, I hope this car bombs just like the Phaeton.

    Brian
    I why would you want this car to bomb? And all the Phaeton is is just a rebagded Audi A8 so VW figured it would try it out and see how well it did, and after reading all the write up's on the cars everyone seems to really like the car. And how are Honda, Toyota, and Nissan's reason's for making a luxury brand different from that of Hyundai wanting to make a luxury brand or if it decided to make one? But after seeing this car in person this car will not bomb! But it is the bomb!

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy_W
    If I ever aspire to own a Hyundai, someone, please shoot me!
    I dont understand this kind of thinking.

    Ive said it before and Ill say it again. What more respect could you give than for a company that has single handedly and completely on its own come back from near death and an image that has been near impossible for it to shed?

    The worst part? Hyundai's failings were not even completely their fault back in the 80's, the EXCEL was a REBADGED MITSUBISHI PRECIS! Mitsubishi on the other hand is a company with Japanese roots that like Buick, needs to be put out of its misery for good. Unoriginal designs, sub-par production quality and poor performance are the hallmark of all current Mitsubishi's save for their trophy car the Lancer Evolution series. If you look at Mitsubishi interiors, youll notice they are one of the last car companies on the planet to use plain jane single DIN CD players that look like they were take-offs from the Wal-Mart shelves. Mitsubishi has WASTED the success they garnered in the early to mid-90's with the 3000GT, old Montero and even some versions of the Eclipse, which in their hayday were hard cars to beat. Today its little more than a marketing and development arm of the Daimler-Chrysler group and it seems that it doesnt get much real attention anymore.

    Hyundai on the other hand is fighting this battle tooth and nail and putting out new and ingenious products at every turn getting better every year. Youve probably heard me mention that the new Hyundai Tuscon is probably part for part BETTER than the 30,000.00 BMW X3. The Tuscon LOOKS better, has body colored cladding options, STANDARD ABS, STANDARD TRACTION control, a great AWD system and a potent V6 for its size, ALL for less than 21000.00 AND gives you luxury features like Side curtain airbags to boot. The Sonata has been a perennial of mine for many years, ever since the first modern redesign came out in 1995 with the nicer V6, gorgeous leather interior and 100w Sound system. My mom bought a 2000 Elantra GLS and beats the crap out of that car, to date her only service visits ever have been for a power window problem, and a spark plug issue and thats IT. The car has been through two wrecks and still drives like the day it was made. I always say that Hyundai's are good BESIDES the 10 year 100k warranty, not BECAUSE of it.

    The next Kia Sedona minivan coming in 2006 is SURE to be a Town and Country/Caravan fighter with the upgraded V6 engine, fold flat seating, modern safety and security features, power sliding doors and BETTER styling.

    In my opinion Caddy could stand to tear a page from Hyundai's book and realize you can not drop a 90000.00 car on the public just because YOU THINK its justified. Start out slowly and increase prices on a year by year basis so your target audience gets to try what youve got and stays with you. Hyundai understands they can not be selling 30,000.00 cars right now, despite their recent success, but give it time, and theyll be able to shoot higher than that for certain.

    Watch out for Hyundai, they might just show up where you least expect them...

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    Re: Hyundai's new flagship premium high-performance luxury sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by Playdrv4me
    Watch out for Hyundai, they might just show up where you least expect them...
    like an assembly plant in the us ..oh wait they did that this year ...ummm ...a rear drive Tiburon with a turbo 3.8 V6 ?

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