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    Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    By modded Rice I mean Civics, as most of them that I've seen on the street probably aren't close to the 250 hp the Redline has. I heard that the SRT-4 is faster, but that was a while ago.

    Should Cadillac make a smaller car to compete with these? This is a growing market. any thoughts?

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    No Cadillac shouldn't enter that market, the Redline "IS" slower then the SRT-4, and the Redline is a POS. Recalls out the ass. SRT-4 > Redline

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    If you're talking about the ION Redline, it has 205 h.p., not 250, big diff, it also weighs 100 lbs more and doesn't even sell in the same niche as the Neon. The VUE Redline does have a 250 h.p. Honda engine.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    2nd gen BLS could fit the bill.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy_W
    and doesn't even sell in the same niche as the Neon.
    I was told that the Ion Redline was created either to take sales away from the Dodge, or fight Rice. I would have thought they were in the same niche.

    OK, it needs the Honda engine to kick Mopar butt.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    How about the CTS-V? I believe that to be in the same market as the SRT-4. There is an obvious winner in that battle. Cadillac power all the way. The CTS is currently Cadillac's smallest car correct? GM I believe is really out on the limb with saturn. That seems to be the branch where they try all new things and experiment. The saturn branch seems to do things a little differently and more money is now spent there because of the drop off of the Olds branch. Long as GM keeps making those caddys im happy.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by freefaller07
    How about the CTS-V? I believe that to be in the same market as the SRT-4. There is an obvious winner in that battle. Cadillac power all the way. The CTS is currently Cadillac's smallest car correct? GM I believe is really out on the limb with saturn. That seems to be the branch where they try all new things and experiment. The saturn branch seems to do things a little differently and more money is now spent there because of the drop off of the Olds branch. Long as GM keeps making those caddys im happy.
    Ya, we're discussing Saturns future in that Lounge right now, in the "axe" thread, check it out.

    I agree that the CTS-V is the smallest Caddy, but is it in the sub-compact-compact class? I think that's what the others here are? The V would totally kick them and is like a luxury Musclecar imo. I've always felt that it's Cadillac that is like the "experimental division." With new ideas like magnetic steering, night vision, etc. I think that's why more people complain about Cadillacs because there is more on them to go wrong in the first place.

    Just my thoughts.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Cadillac I agree is the "experimental division". That is the division with success. The ideas that come out in Cadillacs are genious and are known to work. They have succeeded in all the ideas that were put to their cars. The saturn division is more I would say the guinea pig division. Trying many unperfected ideas resulting in several recalls and poor reliablity. Cadillac is perfected in all there wonderful ideas and there guaranteed to be of the upmost quality. That is why we pay good money for Cadillac's and we can buy Saturn's dirt cheap. Once again you get what you pay for.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    The CTS-V is nowhere near their league. You can't even see their league from the left seat of a V. 50K vs 20K.

    The Ion Redline needs about 30-40 more HP to keep up with an SRT-4.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by davesdeville

    The Ion Redline needs about 30-40 more HP to keep up with an SRT-4.
    What could be done to get that extra power out of the Redline w/o spending too much money? Would it be more difficult to get that extra power from a 4 as opposed to a V6...

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Saturn's are not made to be fast. At best they are maybe "stylish" cars that offer slight performance but more or less economy. IMO of course. If you want cheap performance head over to the pontiac division. "Driving Excitement" is the motto there and they offer plenty of half way decent cars.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph
    What could be done to get that extra power out of the Redline w/o spending too much money? Would it be more difficult to get that extra power from a 4 as opposed to a V6...
    It's the supercharged ecotec, maybe it would appreciate a bit more boost and 91 octane or maybe nitrous on top of the boost. GM built an 850hp turbo ecotec so a lot is possible.

    It's pretty much always easier to get more power out of a bigger displacement. More cyls doesn't mean more displacement necissarily, like the 3.4 Tarus SHO V8 compared with the Typhoon/Cyclone 4.3 V6.

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    The Ion has the worst interior of any car I've ever had the displeasure of sitting in. Its not the layout, its the quality. Blech. Gotta love that Ecotec though!

    I'd like to see Pontiac offer a small car that isnt a rebadged Cobalt (Pursuit).

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

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    Re: Saturn Redline VS. SRT-4 VS. Modded Rice

    Quote Originally Posted by freefaller07
    How about the CTS-V? I believe that to be in the same market as the SRT-4. There is an obvious winner in that battle. Cadillac power all the way.
    Your an idiot. Your comparing a $50k+ car to a glorified Neon that costs around $20k!? LOL!! :drinker But the Ion Redline's stock supercharger is maxed out on power. From what I have heard that even doing a pulley upgrade would blow the supercharger. Once again GM drops the ball with yet another car that could have had some promise to it.

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