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    Question CTS vs TL

    currently im looking to buy a 2004 CTS or 2004 ACURA TL...... but i just cant make up my mind...i like the look on CTS but $37500 for full loaded CTS(white) vs Fully LOADED $33000 TL(white) i think TL is better all around package...... and it also have more HP....and i believe itz faster... 0-60mph or 1/4 mile.... what do you guys think???

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    I'm in the same predicament you are, only I'm looking at the six speed version of either. But I think I am going with the CTS for it's rear wheel drive ballance and more striking design. I've driven the automatic version of both, and I think the CTS feels tighter and more sure footed when cornering.

    The TL is a very, very nice car, though. Tought to pass that Honda reliability. It's not so tough to pass on the 700.00 timming belt change every 80k (CTS uses a chain which never needs to be replaced)

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    Quote Originally Posted by TX_SS
    currently im looking to buy a 2004 CTS or 2004 ACURA TL...... but i just cant make up my mind...i like the look on CTS but $37500 for full loaded CTS(white) vs Fully LOADED $33000 TL(white) i think TL is better all around package...... and it also have more HP....and i believe itz faster... 0-60mph or 1/4 mile.... what do you guys think???
    A difference of $4500 isn't that much when it comes to what you really want. Factor it over 4 years and you're looking at $100/month or 3 bucks a day. Would you pay $3 a day for the feeling you get when you see your car and love the styling? Would you enjoy the head turning glances you get and compliments you receive? Not everyone really cares how other feel, but I know I feel good when I get people looking at the rims of my 87 Brougham.

    I think a test drive of both should be up front and centre. TL is front wheel drive so steering will feel different. Not better or worse, but probably different. This also means that the circle you can drive in the CTS is quite a bit smaller because of its rear-wheel drive.

    Good luck!

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    If you dont care about FWD or RWD....I say get the TL...I myself think it is a better looking car and one that is better all around......I also feel some people make a big deal with the FWD RWD debate.....I once always choose RWD.....but for an everyday driving car that you want to feel comfortable in and be able to handle pretty well in the city FWD should suit anyone best..........but this is coming from someone who wants to have a Ford Diesel in a city..

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    One thing, it sounds better to say "I drive a Cadillac" than "I drive an Acura".

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    True

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    Torque steer is also an issue with the TL. I hear its worse with the manual... but better with the automatic.

    You'll love the stabillity you get with a RWD car, that you cant get with a FWD.

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    Motor Trend recently did a comparison of the CTS vs the TL (and the Saab 9-3 and Infiniti G35). The CTS came in second and the TL in third. They didn't have very nice things to say about the TL aside from it's looks. The CTS was just the opposite, they raved about everything and only held it back because of it's polarizing looks.
    You may want to read what they had to say:
    http://motortrend.com/roadtests/seda...ans/index.html

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    I JUST PICKED UP THE NEW 2004 CTS..1sc package...and ITZ WHITE...tan leather...so far..i love it...... lot better the TL....it feels faster....plus everyone looks at me....hahahahhaah not sure thatz a bad thing or not...maybe cuz im only 21... anyhow...when should i do my first oil changeE?? and what oil?? synthetic okay?? what about the GAS?? preimum or regular?? soorry im very excited.... :coolgleam

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    CONGRATS! Gotta share some photos now. Start a new thread so we can share the love.

    Man, I love the CTS. It always catches my eye -- artfully designed without looking wimpy. Do your first oil change at 500 miles, then the next at 1500 miles, then the remainder every 3000 milles/3 months.

    The factory might say 6-10k, 4-7 months, but I think thats crazy, and theyre in the business of selling new cars.

    -Jesda

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    Thumbs up Re: CTS vs TL

    Congrats on the new car, really, if you can afford either, go for the Cadillac. It's looks are unique, it will definitely be easier to make go faster and it should handle extra power better.

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    If you are going to run synthetic you should only change the oil every 10,000 miles.....after the initial break in period. Syntheti oils have additives that don't break down until 8-10k miles. If you don't allow them to break down they will build up within your engine and end up causing more harm than good. Alltough you should only change your synthetic oil every 10,000 miles you should still change your filter every 3-5k miles, depending on driving conditions, environment etc.

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    Congratulations on your new CTS!

    All your oil questions answered:

    PDF format (http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/resource...ConsumerQA.pdf)

    Q: How does the GM Oil Life System (OLS) work?
    A: Vehicle maintenance intervals of three months or 3,000 miles no longer apply to vehicles equipped with this system.Instead of an actual oil-condition sensor, the GM Oil Life System relies on a computer-based software algorithm that continuously monitors engine-operating conditions and driver use to determine when an oil change is necessary.GM has calibrated the system for a variety of vehicles based on millions of test miles over a period of years.The system is now installed on more than 20 million GM vehicles.

    Q: How do I operate the system?
    A: The GM Oil Life System is very easy to use.Refer to your Owner’s Manual for a description of your specific vehicle’s change oil light or message and instructions for resetting the system.When the algorithm determines that your vehicle needs maintenance,the change oil light or message will illuminate on the instrument panel or the driver information center at start-up.You should have your vehicle’s oil changed within 600 miles of the odometer reading at the time the change oil light or message first illuminates. Immediately after the oil change, reset the system according to instructions in your Owner’s Manual. After the reset,the change oil light or message will no longer illuminate at engine start-up until the oil needs to be changed again.

    Q: How many miles can I expect to go between oil changes when using this system?
    A: It will vary.The beauty of the GM Oil Life System is that it automatically adjusts the oil-change interval based upon engine characteristics, your driving habits, and the climate in which you have been operating your vehicle. For instance, mild highway driving in a warm climate will maximize the interval between required oil changes. Depending on the vehicle,this could be as high as 12,000 miles.On the other hand, short-trip driving in a cold climate may limit the interval between oil changes to 3,000 miles or less. In general, most people who combine city and highway driving find that the GM Oil Life System will indicate the vehicle needs an oil change every 5,000 to 6,000 miles.Most people maintain consistent driving habits.This means their mileage between required oil changes will be consistent.

    Q: What happens if I change the oil and forget to reset the system?
    A: Since the GM Oil Life System does not actually sense oil condition, it is important that the engine computer knows when your vehicle has had an oil change.It registers this information through the reset operation described inyour Owner’s Manual.The change oil light or message will illuminate at start-up until the system is reset.The more miles you drive without resetting the system,the more inaccurate the GM Oil Life System will be.If you drive more than 500 miles after an oil change without resetting the GM Oil Life System,you should default your oil-change interval back to 3,000 miles.After you change the oil and reset the system, you may resume normal use of the system.

    Q: I change my oil every 3,000 miles.How does this system help me?
    A: You may continue to change your oil every 3,000 miles if you choose, but the GM Oil Life System allows you to extend your mileage between changes without harming your engine. It takes the guesswork out of your vehicle maintenance needs,calculates when you need maintenance, and it provides efficiency and convenience.It also is an economically sound practice that protects the environment by minimizing the amount of oil used and discarded. Remember, however, to reset the system after the oil change or you will get a false reading from your change oil light or message.

    Q: Do I have to use special oil?
    A: The GM Oil Life System calibrates your needs based on the use of standard factory-fill automotive engine oil that displays the “Starburst”API® Certification Mark. This verifies that the American Petroleum Institute certifies it for use in gasoline engines.Make sure to read your Owner’s Manual to select oil with the viscosity and grade that is correct for your engine. Any oil you use should carry the API “Starburst”mark. The Corvette and a few other GM vehicles (2004 CTS/STS/SRX) are the only ones that require synthetic oil.

    Q: The oil-change service station recommends that I change the oil every 3,000 miles. Why should I not believe them?
    A: The 3,000-mile oil change is a very conservative approach to maintaining your vehicle that dates back to 1968. Since then, there has been many advances in both engine design and oil technology. These advancements, in conjunction with the GM Oil Life System, allow you to increase engine oil-change intervals without risking harm to the engine.

    Q: I change my own oil. Should I reset the system myself?A: You may reset the system according to the instructions in your Owner’s Manual, or you may ask your selling dealer for assistance.

    Q: Will I damage the vehicle if I don't change the oil soon after the change oil light or message comes on?
    A: As your Owner’s Manual specifies, you should change the oil as soon as possible after you see this indicator.We recommend that you change it no more than 600 miles after the message first appears.

    Q: Do I have to check my oil level now that my vehicle is equipped with the GM Oil Life System?
    A: Yes, because the system does not sense oil level.As your Owner’s Manual specifies, we recommend that you check your oil every time you stop for gasoline.

    Q: Will I void my warranty if I don't follow the GM Oil Life System regimen?
    A: To maintain your warranty, you must comply with your Owner’s Manual recommendations. We suggest you read it.

    Q: I had my vehicle’s oil changed recently but my GM Oil Life System indicator is still on.Why?
    A: If the light is still on,the system may not have been reset when you changed your oil.You may reset it within 500 miles of your last oil change. If your vehicle has exceeded this mileage, change the oil at 3,000 miles and then reset the system.

    Q: I still prefer to have my oil changed at about 3,500 miles.What should I do?
    A: It is OK to change your oil before your vehicle notifies you that you are due for an oil change. Be sure, however, to reset the system when you change the oil, even if the GM Oil Life System light/message has not illuminated.

    Q: I have driven 6,000 miles since my last oil change.My change oil light/message has not come on, but my oil seems dirty. Do I have a problem?
    A: Your vehicle’s oil may discolor under normal conditions, depending on driving conditions. Refer to your Owner’s Manual for additional information.

    Q:Can any dealer other than my selling dealer perform Simplified Maintenance?
    A: We recommend that you care for your vehicle through your selling dealer so you can build a relationship with the team that sold you your vehicle. However, any GM Goodwrench dealer can perform Simplified Maintenance and reset the GM Oil Life System for you.

    Q: During the summer,I drive my vehicle in a very hot climate. Do I need to change the oil more often?
    A: The GM Oil Life System calculates your vehicle’s needs based on a wide range of driving conditions, including more stressful situations such as severe climates, trailer towing, or stop-and-go operation.There is no need for you to override the recommendation of the GM Oil Life System.

    Q: I continue to get 3,000-mile follow-up mailers from my GM dealer. What should I do?
    A: Inform your servicing dealer that you prefer to follow the Simplified Maintenance schedule determined by the GM Oil Life System and would like them to adjust the type of follow-up mailings they send you.

    Q: I have a 2002 model GM vehicle with the GM Oil Life System.Can I use the Simplified Maintenance schedule with it?
    A: Because Simplified Maintenance was not yet introduced before the 2004 Model Year, continue to use the recommendations in your Owner’s Manual for that vehicle.

    As for gas, for the 3.2 liter six, GM recommends 91 octane, or Premium grade. The 3.6 liter requires only regular 87 octane.

    Now.........Read your friggin Owner's Manual!!!

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    Question Re: CTS vs TL

    it only requires 87 octane? regular? are u sure??? what if i put premium in there??? would it hurt the engine? cuz in my manual says..it will make knockin noises...if i put regular....

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    Re: CTS vs TL

    This was a question I also asked a month ago based on Cadillac's continued delay in building the often requested 6 speed manual 3.6 liter powertrain.

    It boils down to this....
    If you are a real gearhead and prefer RWD over FWD for performance driving reasons -- You've read 'em all torque steer, turning radius, pushing in corners under acceleration -- then the only option is the CTS or the Infinite G35.

    If you want superior interior amenities -- DVD audio (Great sound system) superior fit & finish, Honda known reliability (By the way, the TL is made in the US for the US market) -- then the TL is a better value. I believe you can get it at a lower cost. And most importantly, actually available to purchase without a long wait.

    Personally, my order was placed for the CTS six speed 3.6 l. I work in the automotive markets here in the Detroit area and could not bring myself to get the TL. If my build is delayed (which I fully expect!).... I will know I made the wrong decision.

    A old friend of mine has the following vehicles...
    WRX - fun driver
    Infinite G35

    We discussed the FWD vs RWD argument. His opinion is that RWD is superior except in the cold climates. He lives in Chicago area. His normal commuting car is the G35 and he states that in the winter driving conditions the FWD was something that he wanted on many occasions. Thus, if in warm climes - RWD is the way to go. If in cold climes FWD is considered by him to be an advantage in winter.

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