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    That is different...... In which case, it is hard to compare, because if a dealer sucks and one dealer does the job, they will seem like 2 different cars... Over the course of 10k the car may only have to go to the dealer once at a good dealer, but if the dealer isnt good it may show up multiple times.... And i would say, overall, the lexus dealers (and for that matter most foreign dealers) are going to be better than GM dealers.... Obviously they are going to be exceptions, but thats the way it seems overall...

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    If generally, the dealers can't fix the cars properly AND the cars break down more often - how is it different? It seems to me that the dealers generally don't do a good job - and the cars generally don't hold together... That's enough to make an impression on anybody...

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    Like it or not, THAT's how the statistics are compiled. It goes by the number of service visits, period. If one marque manages to fix it right the FIRST time, they will definately get better scores. And they SHOULD because the customer doesn't care WHY it's going to the dealer, they just know that it's going and that's inconvenient. Whether it's for the same thing over and over, or several different things, it's STILL in the shop and NOT on the road.

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    Drove a GX470 today, that is a damn sweet ride for an SUV

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    It seems really pitiful that you buy a 70k car from a dealer, and they dont fix it when it needs it!!!!

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    That's probably because the computers are so complex today, even for Cadillac. BTW, which car company, do you think, has the best technology, most reliably computers, or the most complex computer technology? And I bet that will be the cars that don't get properly diagnosed and fixed the first trip to the dealer.

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    BMW probably has the most complex computer systems, but cadillac is not far behind.... We have discussed this at other times, and have found cadillac computers to be pretty reliable, not too many failures..... But I dont know who actually has the most reliable computers, most likely the Japs since most of our computers come from there anyway!!!!

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    You guys are right about the "let the other guy take the bath" comment. 3 months ago I bought a 2001 STS, fully loaded (minus navigation, but every other option) with 13K miles for just under $30K. To be honest, I was looking for a Lexus, Mercedes, or BMW. But I saw this beauty on the lot, saw the mileage and price, HAD to drive it. WOW, what a car...and better yet, what a great deal. There's still 2 years of warrantee on the car! And in looking ahead, it seems it'll cost me about $2,500 / year to drive the car if I sell it around when the warrantee runs out. How can you beat that?

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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    i don't know why so many of you guys believe that lexus is such a reliable car, a lexus is basically a toyota that costs 5 to 10 thousand dollars more. and toyotas are so unreliable and expensive to fix its not even funny. 1st example a friend of mine who loves toycrapos bought a fairly used 99 solara with 30,000 miles on it, it was always service at the dealer, and guess what at 60,000 miles the great japanese v6 engine blow a rod and destoyed the whole engine, great car huh, 2nd example another toycrapo lover bought a used 1996 camry with low miles guess what 2 months later the head gasket is gone and a new engine is needed again, great car huh.

    the only thing that toycrapo and crapxus has for it is stupid comsumers and stupid magazine that praise japanese cars like they can do no wrong.
    so f toyota, f lexus and lets keep back to a cadillac discussion, and lets put the lexus discussions back to the ricer forums, and one more thing go Yankees.

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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    Quote Originally Posted by dave383
    i don't know why so many of you guys believe that lexus is such a reliable car
    Because year after year JD Power rates Lexus number one in reliability, and not usually by a small margin. Check out some Lexus forums, there are very few posts concerning technical problems. And the posts that are there usually go something like "wtf, my water pump broke and I only have 200k miles on it". Cadillac has imo better looking cars and definitely more "soul" but for now they are behind in the reliability department

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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    how do they know the reliablity of a car if its 1,2 or 3 years old , lets see if a fancy toyota can stand the test of time like most caddy's do.

    i can't stand these lexus lovers on a CADILLAC FORUM, GET IT CADILLAC FORUM, NOT POS LEXUS FORUM. GET IT!!!

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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    And I managed to squirm my way into being a moderator too....you need to relax.

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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    You bring up an excellent point....... Thats why you need to by NISSAN or INFINITI......

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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    The Facts:

    Lexus is the "#1 Nameplate in Long-Term Dependability (VDI) (JD Power and Associates) (2003 was the 9th year in as many years of eligibility)"

    This study measures problems reported over 3 years and this year is a measure of performance of 2000 model year vehicles.

    Cadillac still isn't doing bad though:

    "Cadillac scored a 7th place finish with 209 problems per 100 vehicles.

    Scoring better than Cadillac are:

    Lexus (163)
    Infiniti (174)
    Buick (179)
    Porsche (193)
    Acura (196)
    Toyota (201)

    Notable brands scoring worse than Cadillac are:

    Lincoln (212)
    Honda (218)
    Jaguar (247)
    Saab (255)
    BMW (262)
    Mercedes (318)
    Volvo (330)
    Land Rover (441)

    Industry average is 273.
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    Re: Lexus, Lexus and more Lexus...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph
    Well yes, just like the movie F&F made Toyota Supra values skyrocket, popularity or demand certainly has a way of raising value for anything including cars. I guarentee that if someone used my type of Caddy in a movie, same color and external physical appearance, my car's value would escalate. The movie "Vanishing Point" made white Hemi Challengers quite collectable from what I understand. So popularity, image, reputation and quality play important roles for value of cars.
    Thank the gods that my CTS is in the Matrix then(but is it worth more with the bulletholes?). I heard it also appears in the new Bad Boys movie...

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