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Cadillac or competing brand model ? Why ? Discussion, 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400 in Item Specific Cadillac Discussion; Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792 Uncomfortable like when you've got bad gas and a hot chick sitting shotgun. For her maybe. ...
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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Quote Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792 View Post
    Uncomfortable like when you've got bad gas and a hot chick sitting shotgun.

    For her maybe. I happen to like the smell of my own farts.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    .......And then you hit the "recirc" button and put fan speed to "MAX".

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Isn't the LS series Camry-based? They sure look alot like them.....

    I dunno, guess I am of the few that think the styling dosn't do anything for me.

    The LS400 seemed like it had less squeaks and rattles
    The S320 actually has squeeks and rattles?!?

    Anyway... the '92 STS vs '98 LS400.... there is a reason why the old beat up Caddy gets chosen over the new fancy Lexus.... Caddy has soul, its got a unique character to it that the Lexus just dosn't have.... I understand that feeling first hand.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Wolf View Post
    Isn't the LS series Camry-based? They sure look alot like them.....

    I dunno, guess I am of the few that think the styling dosn't do anything for me.

    The ES is the one that's Camry based...the LS is based off of some high end Toyota made only for Japan... The Century perhaps?

    For the most part, the styling doesn't do much for me either...I just like how they did the rear end.
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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    You're thinking the Celsior, the rh drive version of the LS400.
    The LS400 is total Lexus, as it doesn't share any drivetrain components or sheetmetal with Toyota product.
    A couple of minor switchgear pieces are shared, like the cruise control paddle.
    I've read that Toyota accepts 50 parts failure per 1 million units, whereas the Lexus division finds 10 units per million as the acceptable level.
    There is no question that the Lexus brand holds up very well over time.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    LS400's V8 engine finds its way into a few Toyota and Lexus products including the Aristo, Soarer, Crown, and Celsior. I cant remember which Lexus products those Toyota models correspond to. Aristo is our Lexus GS.

    I won't miss the LS400, but it was a damn fine automobile, and perfect in most measurable ways. Most of all, I miss the Nakamichi sound system.

    I don't miss the handling. At all. This Range Rover is more accurate, safe, and secure in corners than the LS400 was.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    I'm looking forward to a review on the Range Rover ... I've always wanted one.
    My comments on the LS400 not sharing Toyota platforms was aimed at the North American market ... Avalon and Camry, specifically.
    The truck engines over here are not aluminum OHC ... I'm currently looking for a tech who has worked on the 4L LS motor, as I want
    the timing belt done right. The Toyota dealership in town has only worked on the truck V8's ... a different motor.
    Worth the drive to Toronto for me, anyway, to get a tech who is familiar with the motor for peace of mind.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    dude, nice review! My sister has the same 94 black jade ls400. Hers has about 216k on it and its an amazing vehicle. smooth and quiet. and fast. The S is in a whole different class though. I'm pretty sure the LS has you beat in 0-60. should be around 7.7-8.1. It isn't that big inside. where the S is HUGE! IMHO though the LS is an amzing value new or used. high miles mean nothing on a maintained LS. As much as i want an S-class, the thought od somthing breaking would give me nightmares. LS parts aren't that expensive if you know where to look. My white 93 just turned 236k and has never let me down since ive owned it. I bought it in jul 06 with 210k. UGH your s320 is so expensive looking though. i want one. kinda...

    Quote Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792 View Post
    On a related note, I got to ride in Brian's (90Brougham350) dad's '94 LS400 today and would like to compare it to my S320, and the '90 (?) Q45 Jesda had, that I rode in and drove during the May meet.

    LS400 v. S320.


    The LS400 was smaller, a lot actually, and felt a lot more intimate inside. There's not nearly as much headroom as in the S and the legroom in rear is paltry in comparison. But on the plus side, the LS400 had much softer seats, with better upper back support...well they just seemed like they were much better bolstered overall. The LS400 seemed like it had less squeaks and rattles, and it seemed like it had less ambient noise, around town atleast...we didn't take it out on the highway at all. The V8 in the LS seemed like it propelled the car pretty good, maybe a bit quicker than the S, hard to tell though, I'd have to say that the peak powerband wasn't as wide as it is in the 320, but those I-6's were always known for a wide powerband anyways.

    I really like how the LS looks though, it's sleek and somewhat sporty, yet very subtle. It was a beautifiul midnight jade color, with tan leather, and the Torque Thrusts really complimented the car. The tail light is especially reminescent of the 92+ STS, just the way the tail lights are designed and the way they flow into the bumper...nice looking car. The LS looks a lot leaner than the W140...the W140 is very tall and stately...the LS is low and lean.

    I wanted to race the S and the LS, but we didn't have enough time. It would be neat to see how the 3.2 I-6 in the 4500 lb car would stack up against the 4.0L V8 in the 3800lb car. The 3.2 makes 228hp and 232 lb/ft....the 4.0 makes 250hp and 260 lb/ft. I'm pretty sure I'd get beat, but it would be interesting to see how badly. The LS had that "power, normal, econ" transmission control switch....the S only has "standard and winter", I wish it had the sport and econ modes too...

    Interior of the S



    Interior of the LS







    '94 LS400 v. '90 Q45.

    This is from memory, so bear with me, but from what I can remember, the Q definitely felt a lot more sporty than the LS...the seats were firmer, engine louder (but then again, Jesda did have the aftermarket exhaust on), steering stiffer, etc etc. I like the way the Q looks more...the lack of a grille and neat tail lights, and those wheels!! I love the base Q45 wheels from that era! But the LS would definitely be more comfortable over the long run....the seats in the Q were far too stiff for me!

    Glad I've had the opportunity to ride/drive in these cars and hope I didn't offend anyone during my review.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Thanks for the compliments, I always enjoy and appreciate them!

    Before I bought the Benz, I considered a '98-'00 LS400 also, I was always fond of the styling, inside and out, and the reliability and Lexus cache. I searched my area for any '98-00 in my price range (less than $15,000) and found one...it was a silver 1998 with 115k miles on it...more mileage than I wanted, but still a nice car. By that time though, I was so dead set on a W140, I didn't even go out and drive the LS, but I'm willing to bet that if I did, I still would have gone with the W140....even though the LS is MUCH quicker, after they upped the power from 250 to 290 in 1998.
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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    dude, that lex was clean but your S-class is mint. You bought a gem. it looks new.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Lex looks nice inside but using too many plastic parts both onto the dash and the door panels just damages the car considering it's class . MB W140 looks much classier due to wood trims and using less plastic ! . However that's just me keep in mind I am a chrome and wood fan yet a plastic trim hater lol

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    The Lexus isnt very plasticky at all. Most of the surfaces are soft and even the little out of the way spots are covered in leather. The S-class actually has more hard surfaces, but theyre better looking.

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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda View Post
    The Lexus isnt very plasticky at all. Most of the surfaces are soft and even the little out of the way spots are covered in leather. The S-class actually has more hard surfaces, but theyre better looking.

    I dunno Jesda, I'm gonna have to argue that. In that '94, the vast majority of the dashboard was a hard plastic, except for the passenger side airbag cover...that was a nice leather, but it was covered in tacks.
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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    How do people actually drive Lexii? I grow sleepy just looking at pics of them...





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    Re: 1992 Seville STS 4.9 vs. 1998 Lexus LS400

    Yeah maybe youre right about the interior. I've spent most of my time in the second-gen LS, not the first gen.

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