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Cadillac Catera and Cimarron Forum Discussion, Suspension Issue in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Originally Posted by cadmanchris A pretty common issue on front ends on these were lower control arm bushings. You can ...
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    Re: Suspension Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by cadmanchris View Post
    A pretty common issue on front ends on these were lower control arm bushings. You can check them with a pry bar. I've done several. HTH.
    What's the procedure with checking them with a pry bar? What kind of play should I be looking for?

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    thats next. on my list....im going to end up with a new front end....

    replaced the tie rod ends when i got new tires. then i noticed the idler arm was bad so i replaced it. drop down links are going on tomarrow. then struts next week ( i know struts are bad ) then after the alignment if its not fixed. control arms are next. after that idk what else to look at

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    drop down links pretty much fixed my whole front end problem. the rattle, shake, and even what i thought was the strut bottoming out. only thing now is when i get about 75-80 the car starts to vibrate a little and the gear shifter shakes a little. going in next week to get a balance and alignment done. will post if that fixed the last of my problem.

    ps: the steering seems a little bit firmer also?

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin315 View Post
    Yes, but they'll cause tires to wear on the inside, alignment problems, and tramlining but not clunks.

    Elvin
    YES! Tramlining... that's the problem I'm having. I tried to explain it before but had no idea how or what it was called. I guess I need bushings again. Probably because the shop I took it to installed them wrong. I've only got 10K on them! And it's rapidly getting worse.

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadi Cat View Post
    YES! Tramlining... that's the problem I'm having. I tried to explain it before but had no idea how or what it was called. I guess I need bushings again. Probably because the shop I took it to installed them wrong. I've only got 10K on them! And it's rapidly getting worse.
    Replace with stock GM bushings or control arms (they come with the bushings installed) or if your looking for something different (and willing to experiment) you might want to try BMW bushings. I've been searching for something better since learning about the problem with stock bushings. There are no polyurethane bushings available for the Catera/Omega here or in Europe. Besides, all the answers to my questions regarding them state that the ride would be intolerable.

    The only line on an alternative to GM bushings comes from a Taiwanese Omega Site by Bob Chen. He suggests that bushings from the 1987 - 1996 BMW E34 will sub for the front/horizontal bushings on the Catera/Omega. I can't be sure because the site is in Chinese but using what I can understand I found BMW M5 bushings that could be stiffer than the GM ones on the Catera. I sent Bob an email and hopefully he will verify this. Again, I can't guarantee these bushings will fit so try them at your own risk. The rear/vertical bushing on the Catera/Omega seems to be unique. I haven't found a substitute yet, but I'm still looking.

    Racing King # 31-12-2-226-528


    or

    BMA Auto Parts # 31122226528


    No matter what bushing we use, the Omega Owners Forum advises not to tighten the bushing bolts until the car is resting fully on the ground. Leaving them loose allows the bushings to turn as the weight of the car is applied. Tightened on the ground, the bushings will be unstressed and in a neutral position. If you tighten them with the wheels off the ground the rubber will twist and deform when the car is lowered. This leads to premature failure with the additional stress of ordinary driving.

    Elvin


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    Re: Suspension Issue

    after a small incident a month ago, spinning out on a wet road and hitting the curb, I've had to replace my rotors, differential and rear axles, and my left rear lower control arm.....everything is going smooth, except the control arm bolt on the outside (left side next to rear door). The bolt is about 4 inches long and the clearance is 3 inches...needless to say the bolt will not come out of the bushing with probably 3/4" still in the bushing. Other than that the control arm would come right off. After around $500 of parts, the car is almost runnable again as I have it on jackstands. I noticed a kind of creaking only when i turn up into my driveway. Replacing the control arm is NO easy task because of the insanely long bolts but could easily solve any problems.

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    UPDATE:

    Bob Chen replied to my email:
    Hi Elvin,

    The BMW part number is 31122226528 which may be found on this page in the U.S, I think.
    http://www.stevehaygood.com/prod18.htm

    The Lamforder part number is 13281. You may download Lamforder Cataloge at
    http://www.zf.com/amt/content/en/tra...Katalog_4.html

    Bob
    If you are interested in adding a little BMW M5 to your Catera, this is it.

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    I did not see more pages on this..

    Never mind.

    And thanks for this:

    No matter what bushing we use, the Omega Owners Forum advises not to tighten the bushing bolts until the car is resting fully on the ground. Leaving them loose allows the bushings to turn as the weight of the car is applied. Tightened on the ground, the bushings will be unstressed and in a neutral position. If you tighten them with the wheels off the ground the rubber will twist and deform when the car is lowered. This leads to premature failure with the additional stress of ordinary driving.

    I am just about to have them replaced and this we never would have though of.

    Rich

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Coyle View Post
    No matter what bushing we use, the Omega Owners Forum advises not to tighten the bushing bolts until the car is resting fully on the ground. Leaving them loose allows the bushings to turn as the weight of the car is applied. Tightened on the ground, the bushings will be unstressed and in a neutral position. If you tighten them with the wheels off the ground the rubber will twist and deform when the car is lowered. This leads to premature failure with the additional stress of ordinary driving.
    Absolutely right. I knew that but never mentioned it. Sorry. I started a thread on bushings and other suspension upgrades. I have added to it but haven't reposted. There didn't seem to be much interest.

    I'm not sure of the engineering behind the lower control arm bushings. The horizontal bushing is easy to understand. The control arm pivots horizontally. But why is the rear bushing vertical? I remember reading about how the vertical bushings flex during braking and somehow improve stability or steering but I can't locate the article.

    The bushings in semi-trailing arm rear suspensions also distort during braking. The braking pulls the wheels back as the momentum of the body pushes the car ahead. Due to the elasticity of the rubber bushings, the rear wheels will toe-out. As a result, the car will tend to oversteer. Stiffer polyurethane bushings resist this distortion so the wheels track truer. Stiff bushings equal better wheel alignment and less tire wear. Eccentric outer bushings also help correct camber. Win win.

    My Catera Sport already has a nicely firmer ride than the standard Cats. I want sharp handling, not a harsh, noisy ride. Too hard a bushing allows more road noise and vibrations to reach the driver and passengers through the steering wheel and chassis. The harder rubber in the M5 bushings should be a good compromise but I can't help wondering about the polyurethanes. They will pivot like the rubber bushings but resist flexing. This is good for steering responce as the poly-bushings won't compress or flex. Well, not to the degree rubber bushing do. That way when the tires change direction the car will follow instantly instead of waiting until the bushings have finished compressing.

    Below is a list of bushings, springs, struts, shocks, and other suspension components I've found for our Cateras. I probably missed a few but I do have a life away from the Catera. I myself am planning to replace my original parts with Koni Sport struts & shocks, Intrax springs, Bavarian AutoSport polyurethane lower control arm front bushings, and Pedders inner and outer GTO polyurethane rear trailing arm bushings. The vertical bushings on the lower control arms will probably remain stock rubber unless I can turn up a polyurethane set.

    Beware. A lot of this is guess work. Since we now know that stock GTO front & rear springs and rear shock absorbers will fit the Catera I'm assuming that aftermarket GTO springs and shocks will fit also. There's no good reason they shouldn't but to be on the safe side I feel I must warn you. Same goes for the BMW front bushings and Holden rear bushings. I trust the info I've received from the owners that have used these parts but I suggest you read my other posts on the subject and make up your own minds.

    INSTALLATION TIP: The bushing bolts must be tightened with the wheels on the ground. If tightened with the car off the ground the bushings will be preloaded when the car is lowered to the ground. Add the stresses of normal driving and the bushings will soon tear.

    Catera/Omega Suspension Upgrades:

    CONTROL ARM BUSHINGS

    Front

    Homemade Bearing Tool (Removal/Installation)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ5FkOoT5QE
    Simple homemade tool to pull the bushings out & in.

    Ingalls Engineering Camber Adjusting Bolt: part # IEC-I-81260
    http://store.summitracing.com/partde...D81260&FROM=MG
    Eccentric bolts to increase camber range for lowered front suspension.

    Meyle Bushings BMW E34/M5 HD Bushings: part # 31121136607MY
    http://www.germanautosalvage.com/services4.html
    Heavy Duty rubber front horizontal BMW/M5 bushing for Omega/Catera.

    Meyle Bushings (Opel Omega)
    Front Horizontal Bushing 58.5mm: part # 614 035 0016
    Rear Vertical Bushing 48.5mm: part # 614 035 0010
    http://www.meyle.com/Home/applicatio...a=14201772640&
    Rubber bushings for the Opel Omega/Catera. I have sent emails to Meyle and German Auto Salvage asking whether these bushings are Heavy Duty. No answer yet.

    Meyle Control Arms w/bushings & ball joints: part # 616 050 0017(Left) - 616 050 0018(Right)
    New wishbones loaded with Meyle rubber bushings & balljoint.
    http://www.meyle.com/Home/applicatio...a=14201772640&

    NOTE: Meyle makes a large range of replacement parts for the Opel Omega that we can use in our Cateras.
    Use their search engine and leave the the last box default [select...(not required)].

    Korman Autoworks:
    BMW M5 (E34) Heavy-Duty Thrust Rod Bushings: part # 3112567
    http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/m5m6susp.htm
    Heavy Duty BMW/M5 bushing for Catera front/horizontal control arm bushing.

    MOOG: part # K90137 (1993 BMW/M5 Thrust Arm Bushing)
    http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php
    BMW OE bushing for Catera/Omega front/horizontal bushing.

    Bavarian AutoSport:
    BMW/M5 Upper Control Arm Bushing: part # : 31 12 2 226 528
    http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp
    OE rubber M5 bushing for Catera/Omega front/horizontal bushing.

    Bavarian AutoSport: BMW/M5 Upper Control Arm Bushing: part # N81368BAV (polyurethane)
    http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp
    "Our exclusive street performance bushings and mounts are made with a more forgiving urethane formula! During spirited driving, polyurethane bushings and mounts provide more responsive handling and maintain better control over suspension geometry than stock bushings. Along with this improvement in handling, though, comes a stiffer ride -- a welcome side-effect on a smooth race track, but much more noticeable on the streets. Our street performance urethane is formulated with a touch of polyester. This new compound is more forgiving than 100% urethane, so it’s better for street BMWs."

    Powerflex BMW E34/M5: part # PFF5-601 (polyurethane)
    http://www.powerflex.co.uk/products....y=9&submit1=GO
    Polyurethane front horizontal BMW/M5 bushing for Omega/Catera.

    Rear

    Meyle Bushings (Opel Omega)
    Rear Outer Bushing 45mm: part # 614 042 0003
    Rear Outer Bushing 43mm: part # 614 042 0004
    http://www.meyle.com/Home/applicatio...a=14201772640&
    Rubber bushings for the Opel Omega/Catera. I have sent emails to Meyle and German Auto Salvage asking whether these bushings are Heavy Duty. No answer yet.

    Whiteline Rear Suspension Bushing: part # KCA384 (polyurethane/eccentric) rear outer position only
    http://www.globalperformanceparts.co...ons/KCA384.pdf
    Provides a camber adjustment range of +/-1.0 degree from base settings for lowered rear suspension (outer position only).

    SuperPro Rear Suspension Bushing: part # SPF0877K (polyurethane/eccentric)
    http://www.superpro.com.au/download/4381.link
    Provides a camber adjustment range of +/-1.0 degree from base settings for lowered rear suspension (outer position only).

    Prothane Bushings (polyurethane):
    GTO (04-06) Rear Control Arm Bushings Kit #7-317
    http://www.prothanesuspension.com/

    Pedders Suspensions - GTO IRS Bushing (polyurethane)
    GTO IRS Inner Lower Arm Urethane Bush #EP7023
    http://www.peddersusa.com/Solution_GTO.htm

    Pedders Suspensions - Rear Camber Eccentric
    GTO Rear Camber Kit #5403 (adjustable camber)
    http://www.peddersusa.com/Solution_GTO.htm

    SPRINGS (Front & Rear)

    Intrax Lowering Springs: Part # INT-25-1-001
    http://store.summitracing.com/partde...%2D001&FROM=MG
    Lower the car 1.6 inch (40.6mm) front and 1.4 inch (35.5mm) rear.

    VOGTLAND Lowering Springs: part # 955120
    http://vogtlandsuspension.com/p71/Ca...duct_info.html
    Lower the car 1.2 inch (30mm) F&R.

    Eibach Lowering Springs: part # E-6532-140 (Vauxhall Omega)
    http://www.eibach-uk.com/
    Lower the car 1.2 inches (30mm) F&R.

    BILSTEIN Coil Springs - 007967
    Front Right Spring: part # FE1-D403
    Front Left Spring: part # FE1-D402
    Rear Springs: part # FE1-D020
    http://www.carparts-cat.com/webkat.a...94325632018004

    BILSTEIN Coil Springs - 007969
    Front Right Spring: part # FE1-D448
    Front Left Spring: part # FE1-D404
    Rear Springs: part # FE1-D020
    http://www.carparts-cat.com/webkat.a...94325632018004

    KW Automotive UK (Vauxhall Omega)
    KW Lowering Springs (30mm Drop F&R) #25060068
    http://www.kwsuspensions.de/uk/

    STRUTS & SHOCK ABSORBERS (incl: MOUNTS, BOOTS, and BUMP STOPS)

    Koni Sport Struts & Shocks:
    -Sport Strut: part # 8610-1315Sport (insert in OE strut; externally adjustable for rebound)
    -Sport Shock: part # 80-2591Sport (non-air, must disable self leveling; rebound adjustment made before installation)
    http://store.summitracing.com
    Struts & Shocks: Sport ride.

    BILSTEIN (Opel/Vauxhall)
    -Strut - B4 Gas: part # VNE-4480 (OE Replacement)
    -Shock Absorber - B4 Gas: part # BNE-2861 (OE Replacement)
    -Strut - B6 SPORT: part # VE3-4178 (Firm)
    -Shock Absorber - B6 SPORT: part # B46-2260 (Firm)
    -Strut - B8 SPRINT: part # VE3-4426 (Firm/Lowered)
    -Shock Absorber - B6 SPRINT: part # B46-2258 (Firm/Lowered)
    -Boot & Bumpstop: part # ASP-C245 (front)
    http://www.carparts-cat.com/webkat.a...94325913018004

    KYB GR2:
    -Strut: # 334903
    -Strut Mount: part # SM5285
    -Shock Mount: part # SM5287
    -Strut Boot & Bumpstop: part # SB101
    http://www.shockwarehouse.com/index....cted_year=2001
    Strut only. OEM ride. No adjustments.

    KW Automotive UK (Vauxhall Omega)
    -KW Sport Suspension Kit/Lowering Springs & Dampers #20060068
    -KW Coil Overs (adjustable height/F&R) #10260025
    -KW Coil Overs (adjustable height & rebound/F&R) #15260025
    http://www.kwsuspensions.de/uk/

    Monroe:
    Sensatrac Strut: part # 71503 (Twin-tube low pressure gas unit similiar to OEM)
    Max-Air Rear Shocks: part # MA825 (For use with self leveling)
    Upper Mount: part # 903932
    Front Boot & Bumpstop: part # 63619
    http://www.shockwarehouse.com/index....cted_year=2001

    ACDELCO Strut: part # 506592 {#09192250} Right / # 506591 {#09192249} Left
    http://www.rockauto.com/
    Factory Replacement w/o SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)

    ACDELCO Strut: part # 506594 {#09192292} Right / # 506593 {#09192291} Left
    http://www.rockauto.com/
    Factory Replacement w/SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)

    ACDELCO Part # 560227 {#72119084}
    ABSORBER,RR SHK w/o SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)
    http://www.rockauto.com
    Factory Replacement - Catera

    ACDELCO Part # 560228 {#72119087}
    ABSORBER,RR SHK w/SPORT APPEARANCE PKG (RPO-TV5)
    http://www.rockauto.com
    Factory Replacement - Catera Sport

    Gabriel Ultra Strut: part # G56769
    http://www.gabriel.com
    OE Catera replacement

    WHEEL SPACERS
    Not technically a suspension upgrade but many of you want wider rear tires. Wheel spacers will keep them from rubbing the springs and shocks. For others they move the stock wheels out for the illusion of wider tires. Either way they provide a wider track for more stability in the corners.

    H&R Wheel Spacers - Bolt Pattern 5x110 / Hub Center 65mm [Saab 9-3, 9-5, 900 (5 lug)]
    5mm DR Spacer - #1045650
    15mm DR Spacer - #3045650
    20mm DR Spacer - #4045650
    25mm DRA Spacer - #5045650
    http://autosportstyle.com/shop/wheel..._id=47&sort=2a
    I used 25mm to bring my Catera Sport's 235/45-17" tires closer to fender lip for a wider track. The spacers fit perfectly.

    NOTE: The following rear shock absorbers are for the 2004 Pontiac GTO. Owners who have used them assure me they will fit. Try at your own risk. GTO front struts will not fit. Front & Rear springs will fit.

    MONROE SENSATRAC Rear: part # 5786
    http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php
    2004 GTO - OE Replacements

    ACDELCO Rear Shock: part # 560595 {#92157266}
    http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php
    Factory Replacements for 2004 Pontiac GTO

    Pedders Suspensions - GTO Sport Ryder Springs (front & rear):
    GTO SR Front Coil 0 Drop #2142
    GTO SR Front Coil -20mm Drop #2151
    GTO SR Front Coil -35mm Drop #2275
    GTO SR Rear Coil -35mm Drop #2641
    GTO SR Rear Coil -20mm Drop #2643
    GTO SR Rear Coil 0 Drop #7643
    Pedders GTO Sport Ryder Springs. All are 45% to 50% stiffer than stock.
    http://www.peddersusa.com/Solution_GTO.htm

    Pedders Suspensions - GTO Rear Shocks:
    GTO Touring CG Shock #8081 (street)
    GTO GSR Rear Shock #9095 (street/track)
    GTO GSR Big Bore Shock #9195 (track)
    All Pedders shocks are firmer than stock to varying degrees.
    http://www.peddersusa.com/Solution_GTO.htm

    H&R Suspensions:
    GTO 2004-06 Sport Springs -1.4" Drop, Front -1.3" Drop, Rear #50757
    http://www.hrsprings.com/scripts/app...ind3&MakeID=30

    Sprint Suspension:
    GTO - Sprint Lowering Springs (drop 1.75"F/1.75"R) #3195
    http://autosportstyle.com/shop/ponti...s-p-63806.html

    TEIN STECH SPRINGS:
    2004+ GTO - Lowering Springs (-1" Drop, Front / -.9" Drop, Rear) #SKJ06-AUB00
    http://autosportstyle.com/shop/ponti...s-p-40340.html

    EIBACH Springs:
    2004-2006 GTO - EIBACH Pro-Kit (-1" Drop, Front / -.8" Drop, Rear) #3897.140
    http://autosportstyle.com/shop/ponti...t-p-42698.html


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    Re: Suspension Issue

    Hey Elvin. I was reading your posts with interest, however, you lost me with all the information and I just gave up on trying to understand. I'd like to upgrade my bushings but don't have an idea on what to do. Love the info though.

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    Re: Suspension Issue

    I don't blame you. I've had to ammend it a few times as I discovered more about how the suspension works on this car. By no means an expert but with help from owners here and in Europe I'm learning all the time.

    Front Suspension:

    The 1993 BMW/M5 (E34) Rear Upper Thrust Arm Bushing is identical in size to the Catera's Front/Horizontal Lower Control Arm Bushing. Omega owner Bob Chen uses them in his car. They differ in the stiffness and shape of the rubber insert. The BMW bushing's rubber is harder, yet shaped in a way that resists tearing. Any polyurethane bushing designed to fit the 1993 BMW/M5 (E34) should also fit the Catera. Both will improve steering response, with the poly-bushing possibly increasing ride stiffness a little. Unfortunately I haven't found an upgraded Rear/Vertical Bushing yet so the only ones are OE or equivalent, but I'm still looking.

    Rear Suspension:

    The 2004 - 2006 GTO rear suspension is similar, if not identical, to the Catera's. They both use semi-trailing arms. Their trailing arm bushings are the same size. So are the springs and shock absorbers. Catera owner Netager has installed SuperPro outer poly-bushings in his car. These have the advantage of being eccentric. They increase the range of camber adjustment. Very useful on a semi-trailing arm suspension which are notorious for tire wear. The Ingalls camber bolt does the same for the front end. Being polyurethane the bushings resist flexing during braking and cornering. That settles the rear of the car and reduces the tendency to oversteer. Like with the front suspension, the other bushing is stock GM or equivalent.

    Suggestions:

    Front Suspension

    Ingalls Camber Adjustment Bolt
    Bavarian AutoSport: BMW/M5 Upper Control Arm Bushing: part # N81368BAV (polyurethane)
    Lower Control Arm, rear/vertical bushing (GM)

    Rear Suspension

    SuperPro Rear Suspension Bushing: part # SPF0877K (polyurethane/eccentric, outer position only).
    Rear Trailing Arm Bushing, inner (GM)

    Hope this helps. I'm not sure what you're looking for from the upgrades. I went straight to the polyurethane bushings. For something closer to stock, but still an upgrade, use the Meyle heavy duty BMW/M5 rubber bushing up front, and the Pedders GTO Rear Camber Kit out back. They're rubber but still have the eccentric feature. Being from Pedders I assume they're a little stiffer than stock.

    Meyle Heavy Duty Upper Control Arm Bushings, BMW/M5: part # 31121136607MY
    GTO Rear Camber Kit #5403 (adjustable camber)

    Elvin


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    Re: Suspension Issue

    yeah sounds like teh stabalizer links

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