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    XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    So my next project will be the installation of an XBox 360 in my limo. I already have the 24" TV installed and it works fine. It has the VGA inputs that I can use for the XBox. The middle seat in the limo sits pretty high up off the floor and there's plenty of room to manufacture mounts under it to house a power inverter and the XBox console.

    The real issue is with power. The XBox draws around 200W of power continuously during gameplay. This is around 17 amps at 12V. That's a big continuous draw. I'm wondering if I need to do anything special to the electrical system on the car. Obviously I'd get the appropriate sized cable to run to the inverter. It looks like 6 gauge would do it for a 600 watt pure sine wave inverter. The 600 watts would give me plenty of headroom. But, with that kind of draw to I need to beef anything else up? Things that come to mind are:

    - is the stock charging wiring adequate?
    - should I install a second battery and isolator?
    - upgrade to a 200 amp alternator?

    Using the XBox 360 without the car running would kill the battery fast, so I'll wire up the inverter to only come on with the ignition in "RUN" mode.

    I tried to find an automotive DC power supply for the Xbox 360, but none exist. It's DC anyway, so converting from DC to AC to DC is pretty inefficient.

    Anyone done this before?

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    sounds like some "pimp my ride" stuff. Never done it but I think I saw it somewhere...maybe on pimp my ride...lol.

    Sounds like a fun project, though!

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Quote Originally Posted by outsider View Post
    sounds like some "pimp my ride" stuff. Never done it but I think I saw it somewhere...maybe on pimp my ride...lol.

    Sounds like a fun project, though!
    It'll be fun. The TV has infrared headsets so I don't have to listen to the rugrats playing the game.

    Looks like I'll have to do some heavy duty wiring - 4 gauge at a minimum. The inverter manufacturer recommends a second battery and isolator. I don't think I'm going to go that nuts unless I start having electrical issues. I may need to move to a 200 amp alternator though. I think stock is 140.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    I'm going to advise you on this one a little bit:

    If you put it under the seat, or under ANYTHING, put fans. Xbox 360's do NOT do well in enclosed spaces. I've torn down enough of them and repaired them to know. That's what causes the dreaded "red ring of death".

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    The output from the power transformer for the 360 is 12V. Just wire it to the car, using a stereo install kit and fuse it correctly. Want me to move this to the Audio/Video section to get some more people to look at it?

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Yeah - if you could move it that would be great!

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingroo View Post
    I'm going to advise you on this one a little bit:

    If you put it under the seat, or under ANYTHING, put fans. Xbox 360's do NOT do well in enclosed spaces. I've torn down enough of them and repaired them to know. That's what causes the dreaded "red ring of death".
    There's actually a lot of room under the middle seat. It's not a factory seat and slides back and forth so the seat can face both ways. As a result, it's not tight against the floor. There's probably more air flow through there than if it were sitting in my component rack in my house.

    I've also read that if the Xbox is tilted, it will scratch the CDs. Is this still the case? That information seemed to apply to the earlier units.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    I've ran an Xbox and a big flatscreen in the back of my car (Intend to do these shenanigans again in October, will nab photos), but my car also has the high-output alternator and additional batteries. The 600w DRAW should not require beefing anything up.

    Yes, Xbox's like cooling fans (Especially when you cut windows and add LED's and resell them on ebay) but you should have plenty of room for that. If not and it's that important, make it into a water-cooled unit. They are completely Red-Ring-Of-Death resistant.

    They DID make dual alternator brackets for your car, by the way, though they may be a bit difficult to find all these years later. If you go with the multiple batteries, you can actually use multiple alternators, thought for the hassle, I prefer to just use an isolation system. Mine is simple. The front batter is only connected to the starter and the alternator and the isolator only lets the batteries see one another if that front battery is above 12.5 volts.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Quote Originally Posted by turbojimmy View Post
    There's actually a lot of room under the middle seat. It's not a factory seat and slides back and forth so the seat can face both ways. As a result, it's not tight against the floor. There's probably more air flow through there than if it were sitting in my component rack in my house.

    I've also read that if the Xbox is tilted, it will scratch the CDs. Is this still the case? That information seemed to apply to the earlier units.
    That is indeed the case. If you tilt it you'll soon see nice thick rings on your discs.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Quote Originally Posted by The-Dullahan View Post
    I've ran an Xbox and a big flatscreen in the back of my car (Intend to do these shenanigans again in October, will nab photos), but my car also has the high-output alternator and additional batteries. The 600w DRAW should not require beefing anything up.

    Yes, Xbox's like cooling fans (Especially when you cut windows and add LED's and resell them on ebay) but you should have plenty of room for that. If not and it's that important, make it into a water-cooled unit. They are completely Red-Ring-Of-Death resistant.

    They DID make dual alternator brackets for your car, by the way, though they may be a bit difficult to find all these years later. If you go with the multiple batteries, you can actually use multiple alternators, thought for the hassle, I prefer to just use an isolation system. Mine is simple. The front batter is only connected to the starter and the alternator and the isolator only lets the batteries see one another if that front battery is above 12.5 volts.
    Thanks!

    I believe I have the stock 140 amp alternator. If I have charging trouble, I'll get a 200 amp one instead.

    I was also looking at a second battery and an isolator so I can charge them both with one alternator. However, it seems like overkill. Plus, the XBox would be drawing down that second battery all the time which isn't good for standard car batteries. I'd have to use a deep cycle battery, which introduces other complexities. I think the best thing to do is to just keep the car running when the XBox is on.

    Now the question is where to put the inverter. The manufacturer says it's best to keep the 12V feed runs as short as possible and to use an extension cord for the 120V appliance (in this case the XBox). I can mount the inverter under the dash (making sure there's enough room for ventilation) and run an extension cord to the XBox, but it would be much cleaner to have the inverter under the middle seat. That means an extra 5 feet of feed cable, though. I'll have to think about that some more....

    Also, I have to think about the A/V options. I can:
    1) run the XBox into the 2nd input on the TV. That would mean that the audio would only come through the cheesy infrared headphones that came with the TV. I also have to drop the TV back down to get at the inputs. It was a pain to get mounted up there.
    2) run the XBox into the front A/V port on my head unit. The sound would go through the whole system, but I would have to disconnect my iPod. The head unit has dual outputs - front and rear. I had wanted to listen to the iPod while the kids were playing the XBox. That won't be possible.
    3) run the XBox to the rear A/V input on the head unit. I can keep my iPod plugged in, and send that signal to the rear of the car. BUT, I have clearance limitations behind the head unit. I'll have to take it out and do some hacking away at stuff in order to fit the cabling.

    The path of least resistance is to put the inverter up front and use plan #2 above for the A/V cabling. Doing it that way doesn't preclude me from making a cleaner, better installation later on. But, it might be worth doing it right the first time. I have to think about it.....

    But in the meantime, I've got brake issues to solve!

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    my thoughts if you are going to be playing the xbox while the car is off get a 2nd battery make sure its the exact batter because it will drive your alternator crazy. your stock alt is not going to be able to handle two batteries and a caddy electronic system so your going to need a HO alt to charge both batteries at the same time. i also receommend isolating them so you dont drain your main battery playing with the x box.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Here's what you should do. Do the "Big 3 Upgrade" and make sure u use 0 gauge wires. 140amps is a high enough amount. Once you have done the big 3, you should put an additional deep-cycle or car audio battery like Kinetik, XS Power, etc. And make sure you have an isolator to prevent battery drainage.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    I'll have to look up the "Big 3 Upgrade".....

    In the meantime, I bought a 410 watt (810 peak) modified sine wave inverter (because they're cheap). It will power the PS3, which draws more current than the Xbox, so I think I'm good.

    Trouble is with the A/V. My Pioneer 3200DVD receiver has a 3.5mm a/v input on the front. It just so happens that my Pioneer HD camcorder also has a 3.5mm a/v cable. So I used that to plug into the head unit and connect to the PS3. I got no video, and lots of buzzing through the system. I could barely hear the audio from the PS3, but it was there.

    I'm hoping that the camcorder cable is the problem. I ordered up a Maxell a/v splitter cable to see what happens.

    Good news is that the buzzing wasn't the result of the cheap inverter. It buzzes even if I try to plug in my video camera, which is battery powered.

    Worst case is I have to plug directly into the AV2 feed on the LCD TV, but I'd like to avoid that because then the sound doesn't go through the amp - just to infrared headphones from the TV. There's just not enough room behind the head unit to use the A/V inputs, so that's not an option.

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    The big 3 is when you upgrade the cars charging system .first you run 0 guage to the batttery negative to the cars chassis. Second you do ur alts negative to the cars chassis not the same as ur batteries ground . Then u go from the alt positive to Tue battery but use The same size fuse as you did on Your amp wire. Fuse within 15 inches on the positive although to battery. If you want pics goto my profile under my screen name here and click my website

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    Re: XBox 360 Installation in my Limo

    Quote Originally Posted by still_walkin View Post
    The big 3 is when you upgrade the cars charging system .first you run 0 guage to the batttery negative to the cars chassis. Second you do ur alts negative to the cars chassis not the same as ur batteries ground . Then u go from the alt positive to Tue battery but use The same size fuse as you did on Your amp wire. Fuse within 15 inches on the positive although to battery. If you want pics goto my profile under my screen name here and click my website
    Yup, thats it! Here's a good video from an experienced guy on how to do the Big 3 step by step -


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