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    Re: And this is why I'm foaming at the mouth for an M3.

    It definitely is GM's modus operandi to have apple style secrecy when it comes to new products

    i seem to recall someone losing their job over C7 Stingray leaked photos ... right?

    and on top of all the other 'surprises'/interesting moves that have been made look at the Escalade and it's remodels

    the only thing we've seen so far are spy shots (same as the last redesign... and the one before that too)

    it's well within any company's rights to decide what level of secrecy (if any) is best for them

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    we can argue the merits of this secrecy all day long but only time will tell if the strategy/tactic was successful or failed
    (and don't try and link product secrecy to the bankruptcy... just don't... please)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATSFL
    i really hope they don't follow BMW in that regard, with all these random "sport" models. BMW (for the 3 series) has the sport line, m-sport line, they will probably have an "iS" model, AND the M3/4. in my opinion it's very annoying and dilutes the 3 series. the way it is now, with the eventual addition of the ATS-V will be good; you have a couple different flavors, then the flagship balls-to-the-wall model.
    Again, we shouldn't care about the German car manufacturers, they're whores and would offer golf carts with those coveted logos if some of their status-seeking, lizard customers wanted them. We need to stick to the American approach and break away from European snobbiness.

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    Re: And this is why I'm foaming at the mouth for an M3.

    we can argue the merits of this secrecy all day long but only time will tell if the strategy/tactic was successful or failed
    Success or failure has no relevance in the matter from my perspective. Cadillac makes a good product, I'm excited about it, but frustrated that I get treated like a 5 year old trying to figure out who the hell this santa-clause is, and how he he works his magic. I would rather have an honest parent who at least gives me some hints at how the trick works than complexly ignore me.

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    Re: And this is why I'm foaming at the mouth for an M3.

    Quote Originally Posted by JFJr View Post
    Again, we shouldn't care about the German car manufacturers, they're whores and would offer golf carts with those coveted logos if some of their status-seeking, lizard customers wanted them. We need to stick to the American approach and break away from European snobbiness.

    Jud
    lol, so true ..... here's a heartbreaker

    one day getting my dry cleaning i come across....

    a red M3... in and of itself awesome

    convertible (strike one)

    automatic (strike two)

    realty magnet with pic of Realtor on the doors (strike 3)



    now don't misunderstand, nothing wrong with someone wanting a nice car. what was wrong was this scene is what M has become instead of the hardcore car that men/women seek out and others shun because of the character of the car, the no fluff stick only because everything else gets in the way of the cars performance.

    BMW is in a blind market share grab, they've made it too accessible, too easy, instead of the accessibility coming from mastering a driving skill that enables you to handle such a beast


    I could very well be wrong, but the sense i got of the scene was there was no appreciation for the engineering built into that car, the driving dynamic that would make those magnets fly off, i just didn't get the impression that that car was loved for what it is, but loved for its status at the most expensive 3 series and not much more.

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    Yes, Cadillac has a long way to go treating high performance car buyers as it should. The V's brought in totally different customers and some dealerships couldn't adjust to that. It was more familiar handling older people close to dementia. But the product is far exceeding the customer demographics. However, Cadillac will catch up. We can be instructive and helpful, or choose to be whinny and critical. We are part of the process and can be a positive influence, if we choose to. Why not choose the former and be part of the future?

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    Re: And this is why I'm foaming at the mouth for an M3.

    Quote Originally Posted by CTSCHICK View Post
    GM & their firms that handle such stuff are just piss poor at marketing and advertising that is all there is to it IMO
    Concur w/that....let's not also forget that GM isn't always the smartest manufacturer in the bunch. Not to mention....they did go bankrupt a few years back....hmmm....

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    Re: And this is why I'm foaming at the mouth for an M3.

    Quote Originally Posted by mberisha View Post
    Concur w/that....let's not also forget that GM isn't always the smartest manufacturer in the bunch. Not to mention....they did go bankrupt a few years back....hmmm....
    as a manufacturer in total, yes i agree sometimes they leave you scratching you head, separate management from design & engineering and i bet:

    the engineering department is world class

    the design department is acceptable Cien/Ciel, Art & Science, corvette exterior woohoo! vs. Ahem, AZTEK, HHR, every front wheel drive cadillac, that weird duckbill looking mullet uplander (truck in the front minivan in the back), corvette interior What?

    and management is variable, sometimes great (Lutz, and decision to go RWD with cadillac again vs. Smith and forgetting GM makes cars and just trying to be wall street)

    maybe a change of scenery would do them good, sell the renaissance center and move to silicon valley or irvine, they think weird in motown. I recall reading in car and driver years ago about the current batch of new mustangs and how it was originally designed with independant rear end but it was decided they could save money (something like $55 a car) by going live axle, but in the end because the axle industry shrunk because of the prevalence of FWD cars their supply chain of these ended up adding $100 per car, like i said weird

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