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Cadillac ATS-V Series Forum Discussion, ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed in Cadillac V-Series Forums; Originally Posted by rand49er I don't know much about Outtie's experience (i.e. failure rate) with their Quattro. It's hard to ...
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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    I don't know much about Outtie's experience (i.e. failure rate) with their Quattro.
    It's hard to do good data comparisons because of how few AWD cars have over 400hp, but in general AWD transaxles fail more frequently than transmissions - how much depends on the manufacturer and vehicle weight/power of course. Audi's high end stuff has the engineering advantage of being part of the VW/Audi/Lambo family, and that means they've got more high power vehicles to deal with and the budgets to match - Nissan pretty much just had the GTR.

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    Truly, that's one hell of jolt to the drivetrain when you dump the clutch at, say, 5k RPM and ask all four tires to respond.
    No kidding. In my younger days with AWD Eagle Talons and such you could do that but you had to realize you'd blow out a CV joint every few times you did it. The solution was to buy axles with lifetime warranties and get REALLY good at swapping them.

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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    the new lt1 is lighter than the bmw 4.4 v8 tt and has smaller external dimensions, comparable economy and is simpler. the lower height also makes for lower center of gravity.

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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Good read thanks for posting!
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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by jmm95 View Post
    the new lt1 is lighter than the bmw 4.4 v8 tt and has smaller external dimensions, comparable economy and is simpler. the lower height also makes for lower center of gravity.
    You forgot +100hp less too. My buddy has a new M5 and just got it dyno'd with a tune and catback, 650rwhp/590rwtq thru a manual trans. BMW underrated them from the factory, a lot dyno at 550rwhp when they're rated at 560 fly wheel. Huge gains from just a tune and little exhaust, that's the beauty of booster cars, you'll never get that from an NA car.

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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by BeltlessBoost View Post
    You forgot +100hp less too. My buddy has a new M5 and just got it dyno'd with a tune and catback, 650rwhp/590rwtq thru a manual trans. BMW underrated them from the factory, a lot dyno at 550rwhp when they're rated at 560 fly wheel. Huge gains from just a tune and little exhaust, that's the beauty of booster cars, you'll never get that from an NA car.
    How much did that cost him though?
    People are forking over $2K+ for tunes and $2-5K for exhausts in Audi land, and that's with an equally capable 4.0T in a ''cheaper'' S6/S7/RS7 with a larger enthusiast aftermarket

    The LT won't be able to match pure value per dollar, but given the LS's success as an enthusiasts platform(probably the most potent and widely used platform for the last decade) , I'll take the titanic sized cheap aftermarket support(from the trucks and camaro sales) over an expensive quickie boost job from a low volume motor that has a 50% luxury tax, LF3 included( but may be offset from use in other GM vehicles, hopefully like the camaro)

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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by BeltlessBoost View Post
    You forgot +100hp less too. My buddy has a new M5 and just got it dyno'd with a tune and catback, 650rwhp/590rwtq thru a manual trans. BMW underrated them from the factory, a lot dyno at 550rwhp when they're rated at 560 fly wheel. Huge gains from just a tune and little exhaust, that's the beauty of booster cars, you'll never get that from an NA car.
    That is pretty incredible!

    But, I have to echo, at what cost? What about BMW's warranty, i.e. how are the dealers with a tune like that?

    You're right about NA. Tweaking a boosted motor is so much more rewarding.
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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Did everyone see the potential engine lineup for the new Camaro that will be built on the ATS current chassis?
    2.0t, 3.6, 3.6tt, 6.2, 6.2SC, AND a new 7.0 LS7 replacement. If it's true, and it will fit in the next gen Camaro, it would be really cool to see it in an ATS variant. Food for thought
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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    The 7.0 is the Corvette Z06 engine put into the new Z28. Won't use it in the Corvette in the future, and I guess they don't want to stop production on it yet.

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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesul View Post
    The 7.0 is the Corvette Z06 engine put into the new Z28. Won't use it in the Corvette in the future, and I guess they don't want to stop production on it yet.
    the LS7 in the current z/28 is the same as the C6 Z06 based LS7 as far as I have seen. This sounded like a new 7.0 to replace the existing LS7. A direct injected 427 LS would indeed be sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloMike
    the LS7 in the current z/28 is the same as the C6 Z06 based LS7 as far as I have seen. This sounded like a new 7.0 to replace the existing LS7. A direct injected 427 LS would indeed be sick.
    And sick enough to be the ATS-V engine. That's it. Imagine the performance and the great support from car guys.
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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Cadillac lost me, I'm going with the c7

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    Quote Originally Posted by krummel21
    Cadillac lost me, I'm going with the c7
    Can't blame you for that if we are presented with an ATS-V with a V6. I might do the same.
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    What's the issue with a TTV6 lol. This car already has decent pickup in a 2.0T I see a 3.6TT as way beyond capable

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    Quote Originally Posted by listrats
    What's the issue with a TTV6 lol. This car already has decent pickup in a 2.0T I see a 3.6TT as way beyond capable
    Well LOL yourself. Have you ever owned a V2, much less driven one, longer than around the block. A V6 is not appropriate for a true V, but maybe a Vsport is ok for the country club set. Unless you know the difference, you have no clue.
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    Re: ATS-V = V6TT, ATS-V Special Edition = V8 per Motor Trend Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by listrats View Post
    What's the issue with a TTV6 lol. This car already has decent pickup in a 2.0T I see a 3.6TT as way beyond capable
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