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Cadillac ATS-V Series Forum Discussion, Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6 in Cadillac V-Series Forums; Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept This is already a focus group. Didn't you know? All your posts are being recorded for ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept
    This is already a focus group. Didn't you know? All your posts are being recorded for posterity.
    There needs to be a dialogue between potential customers, also car guys, and marketing and engineering types, for the "V's"; other cars don't really need that as the lowest common denominator is sufficient. If it's important to really stay ahead in the super sedan market, outside advice could be helpful to Cadillac.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    The guys deciding this stuff know exactly what we think and want. However, they have to sell whatever they decide to the brass, and that's the tough part.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    The guys deciding this stuff know exactly what we think and want. However, they have to sell whatever they decide to the brass, and that's the tough part.
    I'm sure this battle has raged since the ATS-V was a little glimmer in an engineers eye.

    The bottom line is trying to convince the people that matter which is the better sale.

    Do we use our brand-spanking new, twin turbo V6 to match BMW's Tri-turbo N54, or play it safe and use the LT1.

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    Well, Cadillac could even face competition from the Chevy SS if an LSA or other stronger version is offered, a 6 or 7 speed manual becomes available, and the ATS-V winds up with any kind of V6 instead of a V8. I know that I would consider an SS under those circumstances.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JFJr View Post
    Well, Cadillac could even face competition from the Chevy SS if an LSA or other stronger version is offered, a 6 or 7 speed manual becomes available, and the ATS-V winds up with any kind of V6 instead of a V8. I know that I would consider an SS under those circumstances.

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    The SS isn't going to cannibalize any worthwhile ATS-V sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater

    The SS isn't going to cannibalize any worthwhile ATS-V sales.
    The question is what is "worthwhile"; some think that any 6 cyl. is caca in an American super sedan.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JFJr View Post
    The question is what is "worthwhile"; some think that any 6 cyl. is caca in an American super sedan.
    I don't know of anyone that picks a car based solely on it's engine. Except you.

    There's also the irony in that you claim people are going to want a larger car when the car you're comparing it to was created specifically because people didn't want a bigger car?

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    I don't know of anyone that picks a car based solely on it's engine. Except you.
    Add to your list:

    Quote Originally Posted by shamrock11 View Post
    Wow am I in a pickle,, I just love the ATS and really want to look into buying one, HOWEVER, I would have to let my 1999 Olds Aurora go.
    Wonderful BIG car ride with a 4.0 V8 that will scat. ... Wow, do I want to give it up? If I have to trade down ( and it is) to a 2.0 - 4 cylinder (Just 1/2 of what I have)

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    And the List grows. Damn those cubes.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    http://www.gm.com/content/gmcom/home...-turbo.gm.html

    This presser places the TTV6 in the XTS Vsport. Just to facilitate more discussion, take a look at this statement from the release:

    'In both the CTS and XTS product lines, the twin turbo will be the centerpiece of a new model offering called Vsport. The new Vsport is inspired by and slotted “underneath” Cadillac’s elite high-performance V-Series models. Vsport includes the best-performing technical elements inside the “regular” car line in a single model, headlined by Twin Turbo engine.'

    I'll try to break it down:

    'In both the CTS and XTS product lines the twin turbo will be the centerpiece of a new model offering called Vsport.' -- Could the Vsport just be offered for these two vehicles at least for 2014?

    'The new Vsport is inspired by and slotted “underneath” Cadillac’s elite high-performance V-Series models.' -- Why underneath in quotation marks? Possible sharing of components, to include powertrain perhaps.

    'Vsport includes the best-performing technical elements inside the “regular” car line in a single model, headlined by Twin Turbo engine.' -- Headlined. Across ALL Vsport models I suppose?

    This press release really keeps my hopes up high for a V8 powered ATS-V. I probably have about fifteen months to save up.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by bruff1977 View Post
    http://www.gm.com/content/gmcom/home...-turbo.gm.html

    This presser places the TTV6 in the XTS Vsport. Just to facilitate more discussion, take a look at this statement from the release:

    'In both the CTS and XTS product lines, the twin turbo will be the centerpiece of a new model offering called Vsport. The new Vsport is inspired by and slotted “underneath” Cadillac’s elite high-performance V-Series models. Vsport includes the best-performing technical elements inside the “regular” car line in a single model, headlined by Twin Turbo engine.'

    I'll try to break it down:

    'In both the CTS and XTS product lines the twin turbo will be the centerpiece of a new model offering called Vsport.' -- Could the Vsport just be offered for these two vehicles at least for 2014?

    'The new Vsport is inspired by and slotted “underneath” Cadillac’s elite high-performance V-Series models.' -- Why underneath in quotation marks? Possible sharing of components, to include powertrain perhaps.

    'Vsport includes the best-performing technical elements inside the “regular” car line in a single model, headlined by Twin Turbo engine.' -- Headlined. Across ALL Vsport models I suppose?

    This press release really keeps my hopes up high for a V8 powered ATS-V. I probably have about fifteen months to save up.
    to me the evidence points to the TTV6, the ATS is in lockstep with the 3 series, if the new M3 retained the V8, then maybe, but look at the boxes the TTV6 ticks off that play into the overall goals for this car:

    light weight?

    check

    next M3 probably an inline 6

    check

    better fuel economy than a 400HP V8?

    check

    under 500HP so as not to have power to weigh ratio better than CTS-V?

    check

    fully modern overhead cam anti muscle car engine befitting a euro fighting cadillac?

    check

    will the TTV6 help retain near 50/50 weight balance?

    check

    is that engine ready to go?

    check, check

    Could they do a V8 sure, the alpha platform that underpins the ATS was designed for a V8 too, but that is for the next gen Camaro, and it seems to me to fit the marketing of the brands high tech ponies (caddy) vs traditional muscle ponies (chevy)

    I would rather see a TTV6 for the tuning potential (woo hoo 500hp software upgrade here we come)

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    Sure, blow it until it breaks. Who really cares about what the Germans are doing; how about their reliability beyond the warranty period? GM is better than that. This is a production car; anyone can over-stress a production engine and disclaim responsibility. Why not use a V8 which is a successful formula? I'm sure that GM engineers are smarter than the average forum member.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JFJr View Post

    ...I hope that GM is smarter than the average forum member....

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    Unfortunately, they aren't....

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    Quote Originally Posted by al pettee

    Unfortunately, they aren't....
    Wow! where's the proof, let's have it?
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by pissedoffwookiee View Post
    to me the evidence points to the TTV6, the ATS is in lockstep with the 3 series, if the new M3 retained the V8, then maybe, but look at the boxes the TTV6 ticks off that play into the overall goals for this car:
    40hp short? check

    No performance heritage or reputation at all? check

    Most plebeian engine architecture possible compared to BMW's legendary inline six? check

    Fuel economy compared apples-to-apples with the LT1 not demonstrated nor proven? check

    Weight and overall packaging compared apples-to-apples with the LT1 unknown? check

    LT1 ready to go with 40hp more than the TTV6? check


    The superiority of the TTV6 is far from a foregone conclusion.

    .Jinx

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