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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JD03Cobra View Post
    Randy - My cousin told me last month the 3.6TT was making 412hp on the dyno and testing wasn't done. Around 400 is what they were looking to get. Also he's been told that the ATS-V will get a V8 option...It may be a long shot in the end but I sure hope so.
    Very interesting, Jason. Wow ... having the ability to choose from both of these would be outstanding!

    In my case, if given the option between the two, gimme the one that's rated higher. A 400-hp TT3.6 vs a 450-hp V8? You're not gonna catch me saying, "I could've had a V8!"
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    A V8 every day keeps a guy young and full of vigor.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    If they can squeeze 400 hp from the TTV6, itll still be down on the present M3, but it would be a step up from the 335. Is it possible to have a near 400 hp TTV6 non-V? Call it a platinum...offer model specific upgrades aimed at a little more comfort and luxury comparatively to the V, maybe even some subtle styling changes interior and exterior that differentiate it from the regular ATS, but also from the V. Then offer the V, with all the usual V upgrades, including the V8, maybe even an LS7. The platinum could run same width/diameter tires all around to ease in changeovers, have a quiet exhaust, a softer ride, optional awd, offer gearing that aims at better mileage, optional brightwork, with optional body colored lighting for the V. All of this is relative to the V, not to the regular ATS. Also, Id love to see Cadillac offer a new high end interior fabric that isnt leather or fo-swade.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by concorso View Post
    Is it possible to have a near 400 hp TTV6 non-V? Call it a platinum...offer model specific upgrades aimed at a little more comfort and luxury comparatively to the V, maybe even some subtle styling changes interior and exterior that differentiate it from the regular ATS, but also from the V. Then offer the V, with all the usual V upgrades, including the V8, maybe even an LS7.
    Its funny you say this because my source said the same thing...The 3.6TT was not going to be in the V model. Possibly a different trim level ATS with the TT option. Most likely end up in other GM cars too. Still hoping that ATS-V get the V8.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Whoa! That would be an interesting model setup vis a vis BMW. A TT3.6 to compete with the 335 and a V8 to compete with the M. GM might be wise to do that with each Caddy model just nosing out the BMW counterpart.

    I'll take a V8, myself.



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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JD03Cobra View Post
    Randy - My cousin told me last month the 3.6TT was making 412hp on the dyno and testing wasn't done. Around 400 is what they were looking to get. Also he's been told that the ATS-V will get a V8 option...It may be a long shot in the end but I sure hope so.
    That's great information. Hopefully it's accurate. Thank you!

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    Very interesting, Jason. Wow ... having the ability to choose from both of these would be outstanding!

    In my case, if given the option between the two, gimme the one that's rated higher. A 400-hp TT3.6 vs a 450-hp V8? You're not gonna catch me saying, "I could've had a V8!"
    I'd probably take the V8 as well - but that would depend on how tunable the TT V6 was. If I can get in the upper 400 range with just a tune/chip, that's probably all I'd need. Then again, it would awhile before anything like that became available. So I'm leaning toward the V8. Hopefully it's an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by concorso View Post
    If they can squeeze 400 hp from the TTV6, itll still be down on the present M3, but it would be a step up from the 335. Is it possible to have a near 400 hp TTV6 non-V?
    I really don't think that's going to happen. Cadillac is going to be perfectly happy with how the 3.6 V6 competes with the 335i. And my guess is it'll be close in performance - even though the 2.0T is technically going to be the "performance" model. I don't like the way that sounds, though. The "performance" ATS is going to compete with the entry 328i. So believe me - I'd love to see a TT V6 compete with the 335i and a V8 compete with the M3 - but I don't think that's going to happen.

    I think it's important for Cadillac's ATS-V to be at least on par with BMW's M3 - giving people a reason to choose IT over the BMW. Otherwise, there aren't going to be many conquest sales - which at this point is important for Cadillac. Though you DO have the inside of the car - which is going to be a really nice place to be over the M3.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    The rumors about the F03 M3 suggest 450 hp. What are the rumors saying about the 3.0lTT and the 3.6lTT? If the V8 ends up being lighter then the 3.6lTT, makes 450+ (according to the math that uses the LS3 + DI ), and I think it has a lower centre of gravity, most likely more reliable...I dont see it making sense for the V6TT. Im really hoping for the V8. If no V8, Ill go with the turbo4.

    I agree, the ATS-V HAS to be on par with the M3. Not necessarily in hp, but in performance. Im hoping Cadillac challenges BMW to a head to head shootout of the M3 and ATS-V.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    The rumors about the F03 M3 suggest 450 hp. What are the rumors saying about the 3.0lTT and the 3.6lTT?
    I don't know about rumors, but the facts are, the B8 RS4 is getting the RS5 450HP V8.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by concorso View Post
    ... If the V8 ends up being lighter then the 3.6lTT, makes 450+ (according to the math that uses the LS3 + DI ), and I think it has a lower centre of gravity, most likely more reliable...I dont see it making sense for the V6TT. ...

    ... Im hoping Cadillac challenges BMW to a head to head shootout of the M3 and ATS-V.
    I agree that if the small block outshines the V6 in those four respects, it indeed doesn't make sense not to make the V8 at least an optional motor. Better yet, both might be offered in different trims (or something) ... the V6 with AT only and the V8 with a choice of AT or MT. I'm guessing.

    As far as a head-to-head shootout like maybe a 30-minute video shown on TV, I'd love it.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    If anyone is keeping score, I want 3500 lbs, 350 hp, and 30 mpg.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    If anyone is keeping score, I want 3500 lbs, 350 hp, and 35 mpg.
    Fixed.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    3.6TT could be ATS Sport, with the V8 for the V. I'm still thinking the 5.5L under development is the right size, as long as it's ~ 450 hp.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    35 would be nice, but I think that would be a bit much to expect. For a daily driver, I would be thrilled with 30 mpg.

    Realistically, I am much more likely to keep the Camaro (maybe start modding again ) and get a Cruze Eco as my DD. 42 mpg and a 6-speed manual

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    And there is NO 5.5L under development. That is the C6R racing engine.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

    Latest rumor I heard was that the initial TT V6 powertrain didn't meet the requirements the design folks set for themselves (not sure whether it was a TT3.0 or TT3.6), so they were re-evaluating. No outcome that I know of, just delays.

    My initial thought was that if the engine didn't meet their expectations, a) they have goals for the car being competitive with the next M3 (I was told this is their benchmark), which is a good thing, and b) they're willing to re-evaluate rather than produce a car that can't compete, also a good thing.

    I've seen some camouflaged ATS test cars up here, in addition to the production versions given to GM employees, but I've not been able to discern anything unique about the test cars that would indicate the V model (but what the hell else could it be?).

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