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    Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._ats_v_bmw_m3/

    "With a 3.0-liter twin-turbo V-6 whispered to be in GM's pipeline, it seems a natural choice for the ATS-V. The other school of thought, given GM's history, is a small-block V-8, possibly the direct-injected 5.5-liter rumored for the 2014 Corvette. Either way, expect comparable output to the M3."

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    I firmly believe MotorTrend is wrong on the 5.5L displacement. They've been told many times that the 5.5L is a race only displacement yet they still insist the next gen SBC will be 5.5L.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Jason, how does this square with your cousin testing a 3.6TT?

    MT's fixation on the 5.5L V8 sounds like it might be just as misguided as it's prediction of the 3.0L being the V powerplant.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    Jason, how does this square with your cousin testing a 3.6TT?

    MT's fixation on the 5.5L V8 sounds like it might be just as misguided as it's prediction of the 3.0L being the V powerplant.
    He's testing the 3.6 TT...I wouldn't put too much into anything Motor Trend writes but it's sure fun to see how these two cars will eventually battle it out. If BMW goes with the V8 it certainly makes things interesting. Maybe the 5.5L is on deck as a backup plan

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    But, as 0AT E03 mentions, the 5.5L is "race only."

    For sure, GM isn't testing/considering just one motor, though they may be leaning toward something, it may well come down to one-upping the competition or at least matching them.

    Don't know how the rest of you guys feel, but this speculating/wishing/hoping is downright fun. We haven't yet reached the pitch of when the V2 motor was being discussed, but maybe it'll come.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    I would imagine the V is a MY2016 program and they honestly don't need to make any real decisions until just before they build "mules" in Q4, things can change.

    The new V8 is still a 6.2L. That's common knowledge with everyone but the idiots at MT.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    The new BMW style is growing on me. That F30 rendering I'm sorry to say is better than the ATS rendering MT has up.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

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    The new BMW style is growing on me. That F30 rendering I'm sorry to say is better than the ATS rendering MT has up.
    I read about a guy having sat in both, and now driven a 3.6L (Auto) ATS and a 2.0T (Manual) ATS, and says the BMW interior is nicer, and that the ATS automatic transmission tuning (which isn't final yet, according to him) sucks...

    He plans on to driving a 328i manual and a later PPV LTG ATS to make an honest judgement.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    I read about a guy having sat in both, and now driven a 3.6L (Auto) ATS and a 2.0T (Manual) ATS, and says the BMW interior is nicer, and that the ATS automatic transmission tuning (which isn't final yet, according to him) sucks...

    He plans on to driving a 328i manual and a later PPV LTG ATS to make an honest judgement.
    The ZF 8 speeds are very good transmissions, and the optional sport ZF8 speed in the 335i is almost DCT like in it's shift quick-ness. Honestly, my next car will have to be a manual or DCT, preferably the latter. Half the reason I wasn't bothered with the 6L90E is because it's so simple that some of it's short-falls can be tuned out. That won't suffice for me next time. Worse, there's no way around the fact that a conventional auto ATS-V will be at a noticeable disadvantage when it competes with the fine-tuned DCT's from BMW, Audi, Lexus and Mercedes in their next generation compacts. The only one from that list that will offer a manual will be the M3, and the latter will have very much improved transmissions by comparison in both shift quality and number of gears.

    For the regular ATS I'm not sure it will matter a lot, infact it will help it in the aftermarket since as previously, the GM auto's are easier to tune and build power with. Or it might not matter at all if you figure the 'hot' tuner will be a FE3 manual 2.0T.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    That article reads like they pieced it together from blog articles.

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    All this talk of exotic transmissions has me thinking I will never again own a car beyond its powertrain warranty.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Manuals, bitch.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Manuals, bitch.
    Want to trade cars?

    I'll even throw in the midnight sapele...

    seems fair to me.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    As tempting as that sounds(DAMMIT I want that midnight sapele), the TR6060 is DAMN good...

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    It is when they give you a decent clutch to operate it with.

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