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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Indeed.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    I love Motortrend. Just when I think life is hindering me from staying up to date with the auto industry, I realize that a major publication is constantly out-to-lunch. Seriously, how long will MT continue to quote the rumors about the race 5.5L as fact, even tho GM has allready said theyre wrong. To answer my own question with another question, how long until the new small block comes out?

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    New generations of the small block usually coincide with generations of the Corvette.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    New generations of the small block usually coincide with generations of the Corvette.
    Which brings us to a good question;
    I wonder how well the LS motors will age.
    The original SBC and carbureted motors have lasted because of their simplicity and huge aftermarket for all cars up to the 90s.

    The LS is more complex, but less complex than what a D/I Gen V will be.

    Do you think that it'll simply evaporate into history; a victim of the world's increasingly disposable consumerism, or will it evolve, gracefully, and eventually replace the old carb'd motors for the sake of fuel efficiency and power output?

    I think in 20 years, no one will care to put on in anything. Either they'll go for a good-ole carb'd motor, or fork over for a GenV or whatever iteration has the best fuel economy and highest specific output.
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    I don't think anyone knows, not even the manufacturers. Only one thing seems certain; the face of the automotive landscape is changing, as it always does.
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    ... in 20 years ...
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    The LS Series (Gen III and Gen IV) will be around for a while, as the Aftermarket (including GM Performance Parts) is steering people with "classic" cars to use these engines. The original LT (Gen II) has some following still.

    The next gen SBC is again an LT (called LT1 no relation to the 90's LT) and it has the features everyone thinks it will have. I have a harder time seeing GM moving to the aftermarket with this one as a lot more vehicle integration is required. The LS motors are still drop n swap type motors unlike the new LFX V6, LCV 2.5L I4 or LTG 2.0L Turbo4 which are highly integrated engines.

    The new LT (Gen V) will be like this, and the "depth" of this engine family will be small, cars will be: Corvette including Z06, ATS-V is a maybe, CTS-V, Alpha Camaro, and that's about it... The VF Commodore (aka Zeta II or Z2SC) is more than likely sticking with the LS series based motor until 2016, at which point it will probably get the base LT (or a derivative of that). The K2XX trucks and SUV's will get versions of this engine and that honestly will be the only volume.

    Let's face it the days of 10-15 different car models using a "hi-po" V8 are over.

    For the record the LS (Gen IV only) was in the following cars:

    Corvette including Z06 & ZR1
    Zeta Camaro including ZL1
    GTO/Monaro
    G8 GXP
    CTS-V 1st Gen
    CTS-V 2nd Gen
    TBSS
    Saab 9-7X Aero
    SSR

    Technically the LS4 is an LS (even in design) so we can count the

    Grand Prix GXP
    Impala SS
    Monte Carlo SS
    LaCrosse Super

    For a total of 13 (not including trims, but including generations)
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    I don't understand why they reuse LSx and LTx so much. Why not use some different codes?

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    Yeah, that LT thing confused me at first until I realized there was no way they were going to use an optispark in a new, 580 hp Camaro.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I don't understand why they reuse LSx and LTx so much. Why not use some different codes?
    GM's RPO codes are broken into sections. All engines begin with an L and have to be within a certain range of the alphabet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    The LS Series (Gen III and Gen IV) will be around for a while, as the Aftermarket (including GM Performance Parts) is steering people with "classic" cars to use these engines. The original LT (Gen II) has some following still.

    The next gen SBC is again an LT (called LT1 no relation to the 90's LT) and it has the features everyone thinks it will have. I have a harder time seeing GM moving to the aftermarket with this one as a lot more vehicle integration is required. The LS motors are still drop n swap type motors unlike the new LFX V6, LCV 2.5L I4 or LTG 2.0L Turbo4 which are highly integrated engines.

    The new LT (Gen V) will be like this, and the "depth" of this engine family will be small, cars will be: Corvette including Z06, ATS-V is a maybe, CTS-V, Alpha Camaro, and that's about it... The VF Commodore (aka Zeta II or Z2SC) is more than likely sticking with the LS series based motor until 2016, at which point it will probably get the base LT (or a derivative of that). The K2XX trucks and SUV's will get versions of this engine and that honestly will be the only volume.

    Let's face it the days of 10-15 different car models using a "hi-po" V8 are over.

    For the record the LS (Gen IV only) was in the following cars:

    Corvette including Z06 & ZR1
    Zeta Camaro including ZL1
    GTO/Monaro
    G8 GXP
    CTS-V 1st Gen
    CTS-V 2nd Gen
    TBSS
    Saab 9-7X Aero
    SSR

    Technically the LS4 is an LS (even in design) so we can count the

    Grand Prix GXP
    Impala SS
    Monte Carlo SS
    LaCrosse Super

    For a total of 13 (not including trims, but including generations)
    Thats also just in America. The G8 for example was sold as a Vauxxy and a Holden, maybe even an Opel. Half the fun cars in Aussieland use LS engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I don't understand why they reuse LSx and LTx so much. Why not use some different codes?
    Wasnt the LS6 designation both a C5 Z06 and a C2 Vette engine?

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V vs. BMW M3 - Motor Trend

    No. But it was an available engine in the '70 Chevelle SS, a 454 BBC. There was also an LS5 variant shared with the C3 Vette. However the Vette never got the LS6 though an even more powerful 454 dubbed LS7 was supposed to be an option but only made it in some prototypes. It was one of the rare few years in Chevy history that something outside of a Corvette had the highest rated engine in the division.

    EDIT: Correction so after some research, there were <200 1971 Corvettes sold with the LS6 454 (with 425hp vs the 450 in the '70 Chevelle).

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