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    IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    ...it'll be naturally aspirated - no supercharger or turbo (unless plans change). It still appears as if the ATS-V will get the twin turbo 3.0 liter direct injected V6. Either way, I'm thinking this doesn't sound too good for people who want a small Cadillac to compete with the new BMW M3 and cars like it. The ATS-V is probably not going to be a whole lot lighter than the CTS-V - but it'll have probably 100 less horsepower. GM may surprise us, though...
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    How long after the ATS sedan can we expect the release of the "V"?

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    My guess is one year. If the ATS-V is getting the twin turbo V6 which won't be available until late 2013 - then I guess that's about when we'll see the ATS-V. Hopefully there are no further delays with that engine (LF3).
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I wouldn't be looking for it prior to MY2015. Think about it. Cadillac has too focus on the Gen3 CTS. It would be a mistake to worry about an ATS-V right now. Once the Gen3 CTS is out the door, I'd imagine the V will debut. Also if it is a V8 it has to debut in the Corvette first (which I believe is a 2014), if it's the Twin Turbo I doubt that drops until 2014.5 or so. My money is on the V more than likely to be a MY2016.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Wow. That's the first time I'm hearing this - though I don't doubt you...

    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    I wouldn't be looking for it prior to MY2015. Think about it. Cadillac has too focus on the Gen3 CTS. It would be a mistake to worry about an ATS-V right now. Once the Gen3 CTS is out the door, I'd imagine the V will debut. Also if it is a V8 it has to debut in the Corvette first (which I believe is a 2014), if it's the Twin Turbo I doubt that drops until 2014.5 or so. My money is on the V more than likely to be a MY2016.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I don't think that's bad. If it were an LS V8, the engine shouldn't bloat the scales and should be inline with the V1. And since current LS motors are in the 430hp range, it would be competitive, methinks...


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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    My cousin is a Engineer at GM (Milford Test Track) and he's currently testing the emissions for the twin turbo 3.0L V6. Not sure if it's going into the V model but it's in it's final stages.

    I prefer a V8 ATS-V myself.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    ... It still appears as if the ATS-V will get the twin turbo 3.0 liter direct injected V6. ... The ATS-V is probably not going to be a whole lot lighter than the CTS-V - but it'll have probably 100 less horsepower. ...
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    ... I prefer a V8 ATS-V myself.
    Yeah that.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I cant see why the V8 wouldnt be a good option. Will the ttV6 make 450 hp? The M3 already makes 415 and thatll surely get a TTV8 bump to around 450. Its also lighter then what the ATS-V is looking to weigh.

    That TTV6 will almost surely be close in weight to the LS V8. The V6 is allready more expensive to build then the LSV8...the TTV6 will be even more expensive then the V6. I think the TTV6 should simply replace the V6.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    From a production standpoint, the LS3 (or its successor) makes the most sense. But a luxury performance sedan is not about making sense. There are rumors flying around that Cadillac (probably GM in general) wants to get away from pushrod engines. I love my LS3, but I don't expect that choice to be around much longer. I think GM is the only manufacturer left who is widely using them.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    From a production standpoint, the LS3 (or its successor) makes the most sense. But a luxury performance sedan is not about making sense. There are rumors flying around that Cadillac (probably GM in general) wants to get away from pushrod engines. I love my LS3, but I don't expect that choice to be around much longer. I think GM is the only manufacturer left who is widely using them.
    I'm pretty sure all the domestics use at least one or two Pushrods in their trucks and SUV's, but certinally GM is the last one shoving them into sedans and performance cars. Assuming gas prices don't suddenly spike another $2 (which is entirely possible these days) I expect another 20 years of life out of the SBC and pushrod technology before either the efficiency technology just can't keep up in making them easier on the wallet or F/I V6's just totally wash them out of any advantages other than the noise. We already see a little bit of that today acutally, the ecoboost for example..

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I don't count truck engines. Efficiency isn't a concern there. Though I suppose that is changing these days. Ford's V8 is overhead cam, though I suppose they aren't really any more advanced than a pushrod.
    But as I said, there are rumors that the powers at GM want the pushrod retired.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    From a production standpoint, the LS3 (or its successor) makes the most sense. But a luxury performance sedan is not about making sense. There are rumors flying around that Cadillac (probably GM in general) wants to get away from pushrod engines. I love my LS3, but I don't expect that choice to be around much longer. I think GM is the only manufacturer left who is widely using them.
    Chrysler has the HEMI as well.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    ... There are rumors flying around that Cadillac (probably GM in general) wants to get away from pushrod engines. ...
    I wouldn't be surprised that it's as much of a marketing/PR thing as just plain technology advancement.

    You can't deny that not having overhead valves reduces the overall height of the cylinder head (hence can have lower profile hood design) and to some extent engine weight not to mention the somewhat greater manufacturing expense of the overhead cam heads. Still, it's inevitable the distinct efficiency advantage that multiple valve per cylinder, overhead cam designs have will eventually cause them to supplant the cam-in-block designs. Marketing people probably are pushing this as much as anyone. Bean counters less so. I wonder which side of the fence the engineers are on.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I don't count truck engines. Efficiency isn't a concern there. Though I suppose that is changing these days. Ford's V8 is overhead cam, though I suppose they aren't really any more advanced than a pushrod.
    But as I said, there are rumors that the powers at GM want the pushrod retired.
    Efficency is just as big a player in truck and SUV land as it is anywhere else. That's why when gas prices doubled truck/suv sales drove off a clif, and that's part of the reason why the ecoboost F150 is accounting for 40% of all F150 sales.
    http://green.autoblog.com/2011/12/24...100-000-sales/

    and even more to the point;
    Still more impressive is the fact that Ford also sold plenty of 3.7-liter V6 models as well, and the overall take rate of V6 engines is over 50 percent on the year.

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