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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    If no one cares about the difference between a turbo V6 and a turbo I6, why would the difference between a turbo I6 and a NA V8 be a problem? Your "one simple reason" doesn't really make sense.
    "one simple reason"?? I do not understand what you mean.

    A handful of enthusiasts might understand the the difference between an inline 6 and a V6. Most buyers will not.
    Other than the ravings of a bunch of auto journalists, what evidence have you that BMW's inline 6 is better than GM's V6? It's BMW being brilliant at marketing (we'll underrate our engines so everyone compares our "weaker" engines to the competition and think they are magical because they are just as powerful) I'll give them that.

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    BMW does inline 6 engines because they're good at them and they have a long history with them. Most manufacturers including the domestics, gave up on them generations ago. GM has similar expertise and history with the small block V8 and should stick with it even if just in specialty vehicles in the future. Cult followers for both camps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH

    "one simple reason"?? I do not understand what you mean.

    A handful of enthusiasts might understand the the difference between an inline 6 and a V6. Most buyers will not.
    Other than the ravings of a bunch of auto journalists, what evidence have you that BMW's inline 6 is better than GM's V6? It's BMW being brilliant at marketing (we'll underrate our engines so everyone compares our "weaker" engines to the competition and think they are magical because they are just as powerful) I'll give them that.
    I'd take BMW's I6 over any V6 anyday...

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by simgolfer View Post
    BMW does inline 6 engines because they're good at them and they have a long history with them. Most manufacturers including the domestics, gave up on them generations ago. GM has similar expertise and history with the small block V8 and should stick with it even if just in specialty vehicles in the future. Cult followers for both camps.
    uhh.. The LL8 Atlas in the Chevrolet Blazer was an I6, it was a ward's 10 best engines from 02-05. That was a wonderful engine, infact it got a mid-model refresh and made 291 HP (the Small Block V8 Blazer only made 308) . No idea why they canned it or excluded it to a freaking SUV. Maybe the package was too large, I don't know. However, they sold 1.5million of the things.

    And the Slant 6 in the jeeps were being made up until very recently when they finnally ditched them for V6's for the fuel economy. People worship those engines like they're gods.

    Maybe you're referring to their use in passenger vehicles?

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

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    I'd take BMW's I6 over any V6 anyday...
    There's alot of things you would take that don't make any sense.

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    uhh.. The LL8 Atlas in the Chevrolet Blazer was an I6, it was a ward's 10 best engines from 02-05. That was a wonderful engine, infact it got a mid-model refresh and made 291 HP (the Small Block V8 Blazer only made 308) . No idea why they canned it or excluded it to a freaking SUV. Maybe the package was too large, I don't know. However, they sold 1.5million of the things.

    And the Slant 6 in the jeeps were being made up until very recently when they finnally ditched them for V6's for the fuel economy. People worship those engines like they're gods.

    Maybe you're referring to their use in passenger vehicles?

    they say packaging an inline 6 in a compact engine bay is a nightmare. Probably why bmw cost so much to service; there's no room to get at parts of the engine.
    but I would bet that's why GM and chrysler only used those engines in SUVs with bigger engine bays.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

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    There is one simple reason why the ATS-V is going to get a turbo 6; because the M3, its target, is going to have one.
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    "one simple reason"?? I do not understand what you mean.
    You said it. I don't understand what you mean. Are you simply pointing out what a (dumb) GM will probably do and use as an excuse, or are you saying it's also a good idea?

    A handful of enthusiasts might understand the the difference between an inline 6 and a V6. Most buyers will not.
    M3 is an enthusiast's car.

    Other than the ravings of a bunch of auto journalists, what evidence have you that BMW's inline 6 is better than GM's V6? It's BMW being brilliant at marketing (we'll underrate our engines so everyone compares our "weaker" engines to the competition and think they are magical because they are just as powerful) I'll give them that.
    What evidence have you that GM's turbo V6 is better than BMW's inline 6? It doesn't exist yet.
    And you acknowledge that BMW's inline six has marketing cachet.
    In light of these two facts, how can one advocate a turbo V6 as anything but a crazy and needless risk for the ATS-V?

    .Jinx
    V8, sale. No V8, no sale.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Unfortunately, the ATS-V is not going to have a V8. Might as well not hate each other arguing over what's better. Me? Personally? I like the I6 over V6 for natural balance - as mentioned. However, JimmyH has a good point in regards to room in the engine bay. The twin turbo V6 ATS-V and twin turbo I6 M3 will perform very closely. The ATS-V will have a much nicer interior.
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    Where's D3? You guys ready for an atsv engine transplant?

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    Where's D3? You guys ready for an atsv engine transplant?
    When you come down here next month you can tell me if my little twin turbo V6 doesn't replace anything you could want in a V8 besides exhaust note.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Lord Cadillac rockin the Audi oops

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

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    Lord Cadillac rockin the Audi oops
    Yeah, remember what I paid for it while you're mashing the pedal and mushing into the driver's seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac

    When you come down here next month you can tell me if my little twin turbo V6 doesn't replace anything you could want in a V8 besides exhaust note.
    Troublemaker.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    he's the king of troublemaking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac
    Unfortunately, the ATS-V is not going to have a V8. Might as well not hate each other arguing over what's better. Me? ...... The twin turbo V6 ATS-V and twin turbo I6 M3 will perform very closely. The ATS-V will have a much nicer interior.
    If that's true, you are effectively saying there will not be an ATS-V.
    Maybey they should call it the ATS-U for underperforming.
    A killer V is in the bag, I hope they don't screw it up and go U on us trying to be clever.

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