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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by youknooow View Post
    Right by forming an agreement with the auto manufacturers to increase corporate fuel economies, con't support for the auto bailouts – saving jobs and a positive impact on the economy, yup this administration doesn’t want people to be able to fill up their tanks, man give me a break.
    Saving jobs maybe, but that was about votes. Turning down Keystone, wasting money on Solyndra, raising the tax credit for electric cars, burning up millions supporting flawed climate models ... hardly showing a desire to fill tanks. Plus, the auto bailout was about votes, nothing more. Auto industry had no choice in new FE standards. Is complete fiscal irresponsibility filling up tanks?

    There's your break.
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    I would bet if camaro lt goes to 270 ford will follow suit with the mustang.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    You would think with the 335i having a detuned turbo6, Cadillac would do the same for the ATS. If they truly want to go head to head with BMW, that is what they need to do. ATS Standard, performance, premium, and add a new tier with the turbo6. Then the V with a V8.

    As for the Camaro, there are plenty of LT guys who are into modding. I don't think GM was prepared for that. So it would make sense to give them the 2.0T if it's going to be as tune-able as everyone is claiming. But, it will HAVE to sound GOOD. Those guys won't buy a Camaro if it has that old-school 4-banger soundtrack.
    But the 335i will get an "up-turbo'ed" 2.0L pushing 300hp...

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Meh, who cares. I have my SS. Once I get something as a daily driver to replace it, the modding shall begin and everything from a 318i to M3 shall be seeing nothing by my taillights and exhaust tips...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70eldo

    But the 335i will get an "up-turbo'ed" 2.0L pushing 300hp...
    Again, where are you getting this? I think you just don't care to examine anything.

    The 335i will have a 6 cyl engine, still. Period.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Again, where are you getting this? I think you just don't care to examine anything.

    The 335i will have a 6 cyl engine, still. Period.
    You are right for now. But it is not period. Just wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70eldo

    You are right for now. But it is not period. Just wait and see.
    The 335i WILL have a turbo 6. The 328i WILL have the turbo 4. What is so hard to understand?

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    It's going to be a 6. It's too bad because an 8 would have been awesome.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    If it doesnt get a V8 I will be getting a V wagon or more probably a E550 or a 300 srt8 when I trade my 120K V in.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Aside from what my instructor said, I'm guessing it won't. One of the selling points of the ATS with the 3.6 is a 50/50 weight balance. An 8 would hose that up and throw off the handling of the car. I can't blame you for getting a V wagon though. That's badass! When I was on track with one, being in a station wagon was the farthest thing from my mind when driving it.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    It has nothing to do with balance. The LS V8s actually weigh less than a 3.6DI (LS3=350lbs, LLT=370 lbs, LFX probably a little lighter). What weighs more is the transmission and powertrain, but that's distributed along the length of the car. There is one simple reason why the ATS-V is going to get a turbo 6; because the M3, its target, is going to have one.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    The M3 is not going to have a turbo V6; it's going to have a turbo I6. Huge difference.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    No one said the M3 was going to have a turbo V6. We said "turbo 6."
    Regardless, who cares. An inline 6 does not run on magic dust like BMW would have you believe. It's an internal combustion engine. Nothing more.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    If no one cares about the difference between a turbo V6 and a turbo I6, why would the difference between a turbo I6 and a NA V8 be a problem? Your "one simple reason" doesn't really make sense.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    If no one cares about the difference between a turbo V6 and a turbo I6, why would the difference between a turbo I6 and a NA V8 be a problem? Your "one simple reason" doesn't really make sense.
    The difference between an all-new TT V6 or all-new TT I6 is essentially ease of working on the thing and natural balance.

    The difference between an 6 and SBC is 60 years of V8 development, and 15 years of LS aftermarket .

    a SBC V8 ATS would be an *instant* hot-rod sedan. One that would totally, and completly, take over the M3 for the younger tuner crowd.

    an I6/V6 would sort of just 'be keeping up with the Germans' so to speak(even though the B8 RS4 has a 4.2).

    The CTS-V is a perfect example of this. Both generations *easily* eclipsing the aftermarket support of any german super sedan, and they are freaking tweaner cars!

    You're also considering the implied reliability of an established platform (the SBC) and the linear powerband a N/A engine provides.

    There's also the noise consideration...
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