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Cadillac ATS-V Series Forum Discussion, IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8... in Cadillac V-Series Forums; Originally Posted by pollackk Just found this article... Looks interesting: http://www.lsxtv.com/news/cadillac-a...eets-for-real/ The date is January 19 2011 :P...
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by pollackk View Post
    Just found this article... Looks interesting:

    http://www.lsxtv.com/news/cadillac-a...eets-for-real/
    The date is January 19 2011 :P

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    The date is January 19 2011 :P
    Where did the last year go ... indeed?!!
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    exactly, minus the $132K price tag. I'd be willing to spend $70-80K for an ATS-V 'black' edition.
    This is what Id really be interested it. Adjustable aerodynamics would be nice, maybe adjustable sway bars, along with the Magnaride. Wider lighter wheels with optional Pilot Sport Cups so that were guaranteed a stock sized tire. Lightweight seats, optional rear seat delete with some extra bracing, a whole heap of fakesuede, some extra track based electronics if the regular ATS-V doesnt have, maybe even some CF bits.
    It would also be a good model to introduce a new DCT as well. Optional diff/trans cooling as well.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by concorso View Post
    This is what Id really be interested it. Adjustable aerodynamics would be nice, maybe adjustable sway bars, along with the Magnaride. Wider lighter wheels with optional Pilot Sport Cups so that were guaranteed a stock sized tire. Lightweight seats, optional rear seat delete with some extra bracing, a whole heap of fakesuede, some extra track based electronics if the regular ATS-V doesnt have, maybe even some CF bits.
    It would also be a good model to introduce a new DCT as well. Optional diff/trans cooling as well.
    i.e. a dedicated track car ... that just so happens to be street legal ... and, has a warranty.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    That sounds alot like a Mustang to me. It wouldn't be surprising to see such a car when the Camaro starts on Alpha.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Since the next gen Camaro will be on Alpha, wouln'd it be likely to see the same engine palette throughout the Alpha series?
    I wouldn't even be surprised to see the 2.0L Turbo going into the Alpha CTS as base engine.
    And therefore also a V8 for the ATS-V...?
    The 3.0TT will finally be a gapfiller between 3.6 and V people have been asking about since CTS gen1. ATS/CTS sport? I mean, between 320 and 560hp is a whole world in which the competition offers models as well. At least for the CTS. The next F10 540i (and F12 640i, F01 740i) will be a 350hp 3.0L 6cil TT.

    Although, I understood BMW F30 M3 will go 3.5L 6cil TT?

    Another NTK is the M5 diesel!

    Anyway, to get a picture of the BMW competition:


    1-series (F20)
    -3-door
    -5-door
    -Touring
    -Coupé
    -Cabrio and
    -GT
    Petrol (only Turbos!):
    115i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 100 PS
    116i, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
    118i, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 150 PS
    120i, 1,6 Liter, 4-cil , 175 PS
    123i, 1,6 Liter, 4-cil, 200 PS
    125i, 2,0 Liter, 4-cil , 225 PS
    128i, 2,0 Liter, 4-cil, 250 PS
    130i, 2,0 Liter, 4-cil, 275 PS
    135i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    M1, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    Diesel:
    115d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 100 PS
    116d, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
    118d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    120d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    123d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    125d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    130d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS

    3-series (F30)
    -Sedan
    -Coupé
    -Cabrio
    -Touring and
    -GT
    Petrol (only Turbos!):
    316i, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
    318i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    320i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    323i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    325i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    328i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
    330i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
    335i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    340i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    M3, 3,5 Liter, 6-Cil, 450 PS
    Diesel:
    316d, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
    318d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    320d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    323d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    325d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    330d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
    335d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS

    5-series (F10) LCI
    Sedan and Touring
    Petrol (only Turbos!):
    520i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    523i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    525i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    528i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
    530i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
    535i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    540i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    545i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
    550i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
    M5, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 580 PS
    Diesel:
    520d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    523d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    525d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    530d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
    535d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
    540d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

    6-series (F12)
    Cabrio, Coupé and GranCoupe
    Petrol (only Turbos):
    630i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 275 PS
    635i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
    640i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    645i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
    650i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
    M6, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 580 PS
    Diesel:
    635d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
    640d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

    7-series (F01) LCI
    Petrol (only Turbos):
    725i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    728i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
    730i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 275 PS
    735i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
    740i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    745i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
    750i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
    760i, 6,0 Liter, 12-Cil, 550 PS
    M7, 6,0 Liter, 12-Cil, 650 PS
    Diesel:
    725d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    730d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
    735d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
    740d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

    X1 (E84) LCI
    Petrol (only Turbos):
    x18i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    x20i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    x23i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    x25i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    x28i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
    x30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
    x35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    x1M, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS

    Diesel:
    x18d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    x20d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    x23d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    x25d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    x30d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS

    X3 (F25)
    Petrol (only Turbos):
    x18i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    x20i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    x23i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    x25i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    x28i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
    x30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
    x35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    x40i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    X3M, 3,5 Liter, 6-Cil, 450 PS
    Diesel:
    x18d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
    x20d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    x23d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    x25d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    x30d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
    x35d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS

    X5 (F35)
    Petrol (only Turbos):
    x30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
    x35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    x40i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    x45i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
    x50i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
    X5M, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 555 PS
    Diesel:
    x30d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
    x35d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
    x40d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

    Z4 (E89) LCI
    s20i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
    s23i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
    s25i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
    s28i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
    s30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
    s35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
    s40i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
    Z4M, 3,5 Liter, 6-Cil, 450 PS

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Engine choices are simple for the ATS and the CTS as well.

    The ATS as we know has:

    2.5L I4 - 205 HP
    2.0T I4 - 270 HP
    3.6L V6 - 320 HP
    6.2L V8 - 470-480 HP (V-series) - my guess

    The CTS will logically have:

    2.0T I4 - 270 HP
    3.6L V6 - 320 HP
    3.0TT V6 - 370-400 HP - I think there are two TT's the LF3 (a 3.0) and the LF4 (a 3.6). The LF4 I think is a 2016, while the LF3 is a 2014 Engine.
    6.2L SC - 550-600 HP - V-Series

    I'm thinking the Alpha Camaro is going to ditch a V6. I mean they almost did it with the Zeta Camaro, and with the LTG (2.0T) putting down 270 HP there is NO NEED to have an NA V6. So that would make the Alpha Camaro:

    2.0T I4 - 270 HP
    6.2L V6 - 470-480 HP

    If they do another ZL1
    6.2L SC - 550-600 HP

    Assuming the Alpha Camaro isn't ugly, I'd buy a 2.0T Camaro with a 6-speed (TR3160 please).

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    You would think with the 335i having a detuned turbo6, Cadillac would do the same for the ATS. If they truly want to go head to head with BMW, that is what they need to do. ATS Standard, performance, premium, and add a new tier with the turbo6. Then the V with a V8.

    As for the Camaro, there are plenty of LT guys who are into modding. I don't think GM was prepared for that. So it would make sense to give them the 2.0T if it's going to be as tune-able as everyone is claiming. But, it will HAVE to sound GOOD. Those guys won't buy a Camaro if it has that old-school 4-banger soundtrack.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    ... that is what they need to do. ATS Standard, performance, premium, and add a new tier with the turbo6. Then the V with a V8. ...
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Too bad we don't live in the same state. We could buy one and share custody. Win-win.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    You would think with the 335i having a detuned turbo6, Cadillac would do the same for the ATS. If they truly want to go head to head with BMW, that is what they need to do. ATS Standard, performance, premium, and add a new tier with the turbo6. Then the V with a V8.

    As for the Camaro, there are plenty of LT guys who are into modding. I don't think GM was prepared for that. So it would make sense to give them the 2.0T if it's going to be as tune-able as everyone is claiming. But, it will HAVE to sound GOOD. Those guys won't buy a Camaro if it has that old-school 4-banger soundtrack.
    Agreed, and it doesn't take a lot of effort. hell my old 1.8T 5V sounded like a much beefier engine than it actually was.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I see a flaw in your numbers. There's no way the Alpha Camaro will have 270hp as the base engine. It'll have to be 300+ just because that's what the Mustang is doing (and the current Camaro).

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    Same here.

    The only way (most) people are going to become concerned about saving gasoline is if they're not sure they're going to be able to fill up on their next tank. The current Administration seems to be trying to make that happen.
    Right by forming an agreement with the auto manufacturers to increase corporate fuel economies, con't support for the auto bailouts – saving jobs and a positive impact on the economy, yup this administration doesn’t want people to be able to fill up their tanks, man give me a break.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingroo View Post
    I see a flaw in your numbers. There's no way the Alpha Camaro will have 270hp as the base engine. It'll have to be 300+ just because that's what the Mustang is doing (and the current Camaro).
    I think by 2016 this won't be the case.

    You will need a high FE "base" to offset the V8 cars.

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