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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Whatever, my man. I am not the one getting testy or making accusations.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    The reasoning here is not sound.
    The 3 Series is not the only car on the planet.
    It is not what Cadillac should fixate on.
    There is no need to try and mirror the BMW drivetrain in order to compete with it.
    The way to win is to simply build a great car and follow up with a great ownership experience.

    Anyone who mentions 3-Series 3-times in a post needs to just go buy one.

    IMO GM has the competition beat in the engine department already.
    I would put these engines up against anything from the other manufacturers

    Ecotec 2.0 Turbo
    http://wardsauto.com/auto-makers/gen...arged-dohc-i-4

    http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n.../1214_ats.html

    LS3/LT1

    Unfortunately, the GM V6 is getting beat by just about everyone.
    It's just an average engine, at best, and won't be anything more than a gas-wasting, oil-consuming, blow-hard in Turbo form.
    That is not the awnser for an ATS-V.

    I do think the GM NA V6 is a fine option for a non-V ATS, for those who prefer a more refined driving experience, than a turbo 4.
    I think the Ecotech 2.0 Turbo ATS will be a hit, as it seems to have the right stuff for the right price.
    That means the ATS-V needs to be really special as Cadillac set their own bar pretty high.

    Cars in the V, AMG, M, RSx leauge need to be the real deal.
    If GM is not ready to deliver something of that calibur, they should just keep the ATS-V on the bench.
    The other ATS models are good for their intended purpose and it would do more harm than good to bring out a V model that gets it's ass handed to it, by its big leauge competition.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I have a feeling they are going to take their time with the ATS-V and put some extra time into the redesign of the CTS-V. The last head to head M5/CTS-V, the M5 had it. I expected BMW to come back fighting after Cadillac caught them with their pants down...

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Sorry for the history lesson, but we all know that Cadillac benchmarked (a previous) 3-series when engineering the ATS. But I would hope the 'follow method' stops once the hi-po variant is discussed or developed. *Ahem... Standard of the World*

    And an announcement at Detroit would be very nice. Just that, so not to steal the C7's thunder.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post

    If the ATS doesn't stack up well against the 328 and 335, then I think there will be little point in having the ATS-V chase the M3, and in that case, the V will be more likely to get the LT1.
    The 1st and 2nd gen CTS V6 models were lagging against the BMW equivalents. That didnt stop Cadillac from building M-killers with both CTS-V models.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I think an important factor is being left out... There will be a new grand national or gnx as well.. A Boosted v6 or a v8 would live well in there too.

    In my honest opinion, I can't foresee it happening, but maybe for the first time ever, a buyer will have an engine choice in a V?

    Hell they could get crazy and offer both motors in each car? Camaro, ats, Buick..

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Where is this Grand National / GNX news coming from? I don't buy it.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by exesivefire View Post
    I think an important factor is being left out... There will be a new grand national or gnx as well.. A Boosted v6 or a v8 would live well in there too.

    In my honest opinion, I can't foresee it happening, but maybe for the first time ever, a buyer will have an engine choice in a V?

    Hell they could get crazy and offer both motors in each car? Camaro, ats, Buick..
    It would be crazy, but that would be a classic case of badge engineering... Personally, the ATS-V or the new GN/GNX doesn't deserve that. The V should get a tuned eight cylinder (LT1), and the GN/GNX should get the turbo sixes, with different tunes or boost.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Fox and Autoblog are just regurgitating Edmunds. Their article is based on a "reliable source" -- but they also say it'll be more than a year before we hear anything official. And that doesn't track with a photo of a finished production car sans camouflage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx
    Fox and Autoblog are just regurgitating Edmunds. Their article is based on a "reliable source" -- but they also say it'll be more than a year before we hear anything official. And that doesn't track with a photo of a finished production car sans camouflage.
    Those are very clearly photoshops.

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    I hope they are right. I would be VERY interested in a Buick alpha if its priced right. I am skeptical though. It would undoubtedly compete with the
    regal GS. Remember the grand nat of yore were regals.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    This would be very satisfying and exciting if these models come to fruition! I'm going to wait until Sept. '13 to make my decision on my CTS Coupe replacement. By then the new 8 speed auto's should be in play also.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    Those are very clearly photoshops.

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    I hope they are right. I would be VERY interested in a Buick alpha if its priced right. I am skeptical though. It would undoubtedly compete with the
    regal GS. Remember the grand nat of yore were regals.
    It wouldn't be far fetched to think the next gen regal will move to this platform.. What reason do they have not too? Honestly,had the regal been a rwd/ awd platform it may have been in my shopping cart before the ats.

    Buick needs a younger face, that could be it. Badge engineering or not, it's all good for a GM performance car enthusiast.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    I don't have any problem with badge engineering. I don't see why people care. If GM can make better cars cheaper by sharing platform/tooling costs, I'm all for it.

    I would love to see the Regal move to the Alpha platform. I just don't think there is room at Buick for two midsize sport sedans. Even though I personally think it makes alot of sense for GM to have two of them, one front-drive, one-rear-drive, it would be too confusing for most consumers.

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    Badge engineering is fine. Bad badge engineering is where the problem is...

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