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Cadillac ATS-V Series Forum Discussion, IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8... in Cadillac V-Series Forums; Originally Posted by thebigjimsho Sorry, but I've seen turbo SHOs put a whuppin' on Z06s in standing miles. And that's ...
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Sorry, but I've seen turbo SHOs put a whuppin' on Z06s in standing miles. And that's with FWD and traction issues. Half hearted nothing if it's done right...
    What was the drivability and lifespan of that SHO?
    Put a V8 in that same chassis and it will drive better, go faster and live longer.
    After a fun experiment Ford conceeded that.

    I like the SHO also, but it was made obsolete by advances in engine management that put the V8 back on top.
    I think it was a V8 car that won the Pirelli Challenge this year, wish I could remember the make....

    You know you don't wish you had a Turbo 4 or 6 under your hood, instead of an LSA.
    The LS engine is in the upper leauge of performance engines, so why kick it to the curb?
    The LS is the best chance we have to get epic performance from the ATS-V.

    Do you think it would be bad for GM's image if the Cadillac ATS-V was too fast?
    GM might be thinking that, which would be the only reason they would use a V6-TT instead of a V8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunarx
    What was the drivability and lifespan of that SHO?
    Put a V8 in that same chassis and it will drive better, go faster and live longer.
    After a fun experiment Ford conceeded that.

    I like the SHO also, but it was made obsolete by advances in engine management that put the V8 back on top.
    I think it was a V8 car that won the Pirelli Challenge this year, wish I could remember the make....

    You know you don't wish you had a Turbo 4 or 6 under your hood, instead of an LSA.
    The LS engine is in the upper leauge of performance engines, so why kick it to the curb?
    The LS is the best chance we have to get epic performance from the ATS-V.

    Do you think it would be bad for GM's image if the Cadillac ATS-V was too fast?
    GM might be thinking that, which would be the only reason they would use a V6-TT instead of a V8.
    Honestly, I'd have more fun with an LS6 in an ATS sized car than my LSA in the V. And the Yamaha V6 was more fun to rip and rev than the LS6.

    If there was a turbo V6 that was as fun to throttle as that SHO motor, I'd take it every time over an LS6 or LSA...

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    It needs to have good fuel economy. 11-15mpg city just not gonna cut it these days. No v8 please, twin turbo v6 would be just fine. I don't want to hear a rustle of dollar bills flying out an exhaust pipe whenever i floor it.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Good idea Jim, resurect the LS6 for the ATS-V.
    A high reving V8 is what the ATS-V needs.
    I did not want or expect an LSA, just looking for a revised LS making 450+HP NA.
    That would show everyone what GM does best.

    Hopefully it revs as well as the Yamaha SHO.
    That was a great engine that made as much power as V8's of its day.
    Now days V8s make 400-518HP NA and the only NA 6 near the low end of that is from Porsche.
    The performance market is getting more serious every year, so manufacturers cant hold back if they expect to earn sales and respect from this crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuieve
    It needs to have good fuel economy. 11-15mpg city just not gonna cut it these days. No v8 please, twin turbo v6 would be just fine. I don't want to hear a rustle of dollar bills flying out an exhaust pipe whenever i floor it.
    My openness for a turbo6 being said, the LS6 powered V1 could easily get 26-28 mpg highway. In a 3850 lb car. Use some modern touches like direct injection and electric powered steering on a proven LS motor in the light ATS-V and 30mpg could easily be done. And I'm sure city would be in the upper teens...

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    It does not need good fuel economy, it needs competitive fuel economy for THIS SEGMENT. Folks (enthusiasts) in the market for luxury sport sedans usually have the extra coin for insurance and gas as well. That's the trade off. Performance versus fuel economy.

    Like Jim said all the new tech in the C7 powerplant could very well have MPG highway in the high 20s-30. Fine by me.
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    So is it safe to assume the ATS-V will get the LT1 based on the preliminary stats? My opinion is it really does not make sense to engineer a TTV6 that will put out roughly similar numbers.
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    The TTV6 is supposed to go in the CTS and XTS, too. It's not being engineered just for the V...

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    And it should go in those cars first. Let the muggles debug the mild version before staking the performance halo on it.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Quote Originally Posted by bruff1977 View Post
    So is it safe to assume the ATS-V will get the LT1 based on the preliminary stats? My opinion is it really does not make sense to engineer a TTV6 that will put out roughly similar numbers.
    LT1 = I need this car!
    V6TT = Pass.

    http://wot.motortrend.com/next-gen-l...ch-280365.html

    http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/24/m...mall-block-v8/

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    Here's to the Caddy engineers tuning it even further... 500 HP/480TQ??
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    But...but...motortrend you promised me the genV was gonna be 5.5L...what happened?!

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    450 hp doesn't seem that impressive btw. Unless of course they are holding back lest no one wants to buy all the c6 sitting on dealer lots.

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    IIRC, before the ZR1 was formally introduced, GM was saying it would have more than 600hp. It ended up with 638hp.

    I hope they're holding back.

    Still, if C7 drops a hundred pounds or more, 450hp with that big fat torque curve and a seven-speed will be awfully quick.

    .Jinx

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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    Got to figure it has a mild cam and is capable of more top end.
    Also, like the LS3 and LS7, headers and a tune should yeild more power.
    There is always a SC Kit, for those wanting even more.

    The gas mileage is what you guys should be all excited about.
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    Re: IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

    It is when you drive 25000 miles per year like I do.

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