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Cadillac ATS-V Series Forum Discussion, Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6 in Cadillac V-Series Forums; Originally Posted by thebigjimsho You bitch too much. You deal with absolutes and worst case scenarios of right now and ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    You bitch too much. You deal with absolutes and worst case scenarios of right now and apply them to unknown future tech. Let it go. You said you're not getting one so who cares?
    How am I bitching? I am being realistic. They are already talking about a CAFE of 50 mpg. You think they are going to get there with big V8 engines? They can offset of the lower economy of limited production cars like the V-series, or they can figure out how to make the V-series more fuel efficient and try to sell more of them. Which way do you think they are going to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    How am I bitching? I am being realistic. They are already talking about a CAFE of 50 mpg. You think they are going to get there with big V8 engines? They can offset of the lower economy of limited production cars like the V-series, or they can figure out how to make the V-series more fuel efficient and try to sell more of them. Which way do you think they are going to go?
    As long as they're mass-producing stuff like the 90MPG Volt and various hybrids, who knows. A CTS or ATS V doesn't have to be some 30mpg wonder, it just has to manage 23-25 or so. DoD near 400HP V8's already do that on plain Fuel Injection.

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    Well you know I'm all about options so I would love to see both.

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    I still think they should offer both. They probably won't, but they should. There are the older guys like us who want a V8, and there are the younger guys who would prefer a turbo6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    As long as they're mass-producing stuff like the 90MPG Volt and various hybrids, who knows. A CTS or ATS V doesn't have to be some 30mpg wonder, it just has to manage 23-25 or so. DoD near 400HP V8's already do that on plain Fuel Injection.
    For sure. I am averaging 24-25 right now in my Camaro SS.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    ... So now you have a few questions:

    1. Is 400 HP enough for an ATS-V? (probably not)
    2. Can you go V8 when your competition is going V6 Turbo? (I think so) ...

    Based on these things, I'm willing to say it's 60% probable they will stick with the V8. 40% probable they will change to the V6 TT. The V's are rumored to be 2016's, with the next gen CTS V6 TT being a mid-2014 model, so by then I think GM will have a clearer understanding of what's going on in the market and enthusiasts will have a better understanding of both engines when you compare a C7 Corvette to a 3rd Gen CTS TT to each other.
    1. Depending on the car's weight (primarily), 400 hp might be just adequate, IMHO.

    2. If the competition is all V6TT, I agree a cam-in-block V8 can successfully compete.


    That Gen V 6.2 at 475 hp would be outstanding in a 3,600 lb car. Also, 2016 for the ATS-V would be about right for me personally. That's about four years from now which would be 10-1/2 years in my V1 and about 80-85k miles.




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    It sounds like there are so many good possibilities right now ...
    Agreed. It's all good.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    I am just wondering what the Gen V is really going to be. Rumors are all over the place right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I am just wondering what the Gen V is really going to be. Rumors are all over the place right now.
    Sure they are but if you discount the smaller displacement theories (which are by and by based on MotorTrends insistence that the GenV is based on the 5.5L race engine) then you really only have one set of rumors.

    BTW, MotorTrend is wrong about the 5.5L being the GenV. How do I know, lets just say I know.

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    And isn't that 5.5L based on the LS7?

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    1. Depending on the car's weight (primarily), 400 hp might be just adequate, IMHO.
    You can bet money this will be between 3800-4000lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    And isn't that 5.5L based on the LS7?
    You are correct sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    You can bet money this will be between 3800-4000lbs.
    Oink.
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    Oink.
    Isn't everything oinky these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    Isn't everything oinky these days?
    Yes. When a Corvette is considered "lightweight" at 3200 lbs. Everything is fat.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    I suspect the ones that are indeed lightweight either lack sufficient stiffness or suffer from high cabin noise. Certainly design is factor, too, but don't these guys take apart each other's vehicles to learn how the other guy does it and thereby finds out the tricks to optimize both stiffness and weight? Use of lighter-weight materials is another aspect, but then that shows up on the sticker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    Isn't everything oinky these days?
    I certainly am.

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