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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    No, they dont flicker, the only thing I had to do different after this mod was pop some DRL relays in (simple plug and play connector to the power post) as mines a canadian car with the mandatory DRL. You could also just buy Canbus ballasts and avoid the relays.
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    Hey Steve,

    Is the Canbus setup have the relays already built in? I recently purchased a 2014 Cadillac Ats without hid setup. I purchased an hid kit- xanatec and installed accordingly to your wonderful directions! Everything works well except that after 4 mins both hid lights turn off and won't come back on even if I mess with the manual light switch. Once I turn off the motor then they come back on. Base off everybody's experience with hid lights and DRL, my situation seems backwards. My lights of come on in the beginning so it sounds different from DRL issue. Well wanted to share my situation online to see if anybody had any solutions. I am leasing this vehicle and was going to just replace the caps at the end to avoid any issues. Really wanted my hid lights but don't want to run any wires away from the light assembly as I would have to hide them or remove them everytime I took my vehicle to the dealership for service. Please help! Don't know if I should just purchase another set or just quit while I am not that far in a hole.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Djxcezive View Post
    Hey Steve,

    Is the Canbus setup have the relays already built in? I recently purchased a 2014 Cadillac Ats without hid setup. I purchased an hid kit- xanatec and installed accordingly to your wonderful directions! Everything works well except that after 4 mins both hid lights turn off and won't come back on even if I mess with the manual light switch. Once I turn off the motor then they come back on. Base off everybody's experience with hid lights and DRL, my situation seems backwards. My lights of come on in the beginning so it sounds different from DRL issue. Well wanted to share my situation online to see if anybody had any solutions. I am leasing this vehicle and was going to just replace the caps at the end to avoid any issues. Really wanted my hid lights but don't want to run any wires away from the light assembly as I would have to hide them or remove them everytime I took my vehicle to the dealership for service. Please help! Don't know if I should just purchase another set or just quit while I am not that far in a hole.
    get inline canbus adapters and possibly even capacitors, power is not your problem since they light up, your problem is the BCM (Body Control Module) is turning them off because it senses the lights are not right the canbus adapters do the magic trick of pretending to be Halogens so the car is happy, thereby allowing the juice to continue to flow, after this if you have flickering that is from the modulated pulsing of power the car is using and the capacitors act as line conditioners absorbing and storing the pulses and outputting a smooth power the ballasts want

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    Hey pissedoffwookiee,
    Thanks for the reply. Do you think that the ijmtoy kit with the CAN-bus digital decoders would do the trick alone? Would I still need relays for DRL? Could I just purchase the aforementioned items without the DRL relay and still have my lights work with DRL? I know that the can bus decodes seem to be an easier plug and play item vs the relay that needs to be wired differently. Please let me know what you think? And your right my bulbs get turned off within 4 mins everytime, guessing cause its that bcm.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by pissedoffwookiee View Post
    mine are so bright way brighter (in terms of output than i expected)

    that little shelf under the light assembly was perfect my ballast came with an installable mounting tab an i bolted it to the end of that I then routed the wires in front of the shelf (between shelf and bumper) did some zip tie cable managing including zip tie to the shelf to ensure there was not tugging or movement and put her back together and BAM!!!! bountiful lighting goodness......better than factory, after seeing these, even if i had factory HID's i would upgrade to these bulbs 5000k is so fantastic
    Hi guys thanks to all for this thread I just bought my ATS Luxury edition was a demo and didnt come with HID was looking to add aftermarket HID I will be going to a professional to install it as I am not good with cars... My question is to pissedoffwookie I was wondering where you bought your kit from. Reading this thread it looked like you mentioned do go cheap and that you got a Morimoto kit? I tried searching there site and couldn't find anything specific if you can please let me know exactly what kit youbought would help me out greatly??

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    I just installed the HID kit and followed the instructions but I didnt see the extra step that I did, where you skin all your knuckles. That was a PITA but its done and definitely worth it. Think Cadillac should not have made a halogen headlight for a luxury automobile.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Djxcezive View Post
    Hey pissedoffwookiee,
    Thanks for the reply. Do you think that the ijmtoy kit with the CAN-bus digital decoders would do the trick alone? Would I still need relays for DRL? Could I just purchase the aforementioned items without the DRL relay and still have my lights work with DRL? I know that the can bus decodes seem to be an easier plug and play item vs the relay that needs to be wired differently. Please let me know what you think? And your right my bulbs get turned off within 4 mins everytime, guessing cause its that bcm.
    i didn't do relays, and it seems to me relays might be an issue since they bypass the plugs (or at least one plug) that talk to the car and might confuse the computer. mine always fired up like a champ as if the kit were meant for the car.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by boywondrr View Post
    Hi guys thanks to all for this thread I just bought my ATS Luxury edition was a demo and didnt come with HID was looking to add aftermarket HID I will be going to a professional to install it as I am not good with cars... My question is to pissedoffwookie I was wondering where you bought your kit from. Reading this thread it looked like you mentioned do go cheap and that you got a Morimoto kit? I tried searching there site and couldn't find anything specific if you can please let me know exactly what kit youbought would help me out greatly??

    Thanks
    i got my morimotos from TRS the retrofit source, super awesome guys, i went with them because these are cadillacs even the base is not cheap, so i did not want to skimp on this, what sold me was how they stand by their product, and they always were there and quickly answered all my questions, and when it was determined i should use bigger capacitors than what was in their canbus cable they hand made me plug in ones for free, and their 5 year waranty really made me feel good about them

    heres what i got:

    9006: MORIMOTO ELITE HID SYSTEM

    -Morimoto 3Five Ballast
    -Upgraded to XB35 Bulb 5000K
    -Standalone Can-Bus Harness

    -Notes-
    *i would call to order them and tell them its for a cadillac ATS, when they built my capacitors (again for free, amazing) they told me they would add this info to their database for future orders, if they don't mention this ask them, there is no option for this on the website

    *ATS has upside down projectors, and this places the HID electrode facing up this leaves a slight shadow in the beam (fix is in next note)

    *ATS is not a true 9006 bulb its actually a 9012 which is soooo close and since 9012 HID bulbs are virtually non existent you will need to trim the bottom tab slightly to fit I matched mine to the OEM bulb took all of 30 seconds with a dremel some HID kits do not need this that is because their tabs are already trimmed to fit both 9006 and 9012 unfortunately the morimoto XB35 is not like that.....but you can kill two birds with one stone here, to fix the top electrode shadow TRS told me to instead trim the other tabs so that instead of instaling electrode up your installing so electrode is rotated 120 degrees (one third turn) to left or right getting the electrode below the cutoff sheild making a perfect beam, should take a minute or two with a dremel to match the new rotated bulb to the tabs of the stock bulb....

    I loved the light output of these they were incredible and better than the HIDs in my new premium ATS

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    *ATS is not a true 9006 bulb its actually a 9012 which is soooo close and since 9012 HID bulbs are virtually non existent you will need to trim the bottom tab slightly to fit I matched mine to the OEM bulb took all of 30 seconds with a dremel some HID kits do not need this that is because their tabs are already trimmed to fit both 9006 and 9012 unfortunately the morimoto XB35 is not like that.....but you can kill two birds with one stone here, to fix the top electrode shadow TRS told me to instead trim the other tabs so that instead of instaling electrode up your installing so electrode is rotated 120 degrees (one third turn) to left or right getting the electrode below the cutoff sheild making a perfect beam, should take a minute or two with a dremel to match the new rotated bulb to the tabs of the stock bulb....

    On the Morimoto website they do have 9012's.. DO you see any reason to use 9006 as opposed to the OEM 9012 fitment? I am thinking of just ordering the 9012's.
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    I hear you can use antiflicker capacitors, I've never used them and never had an issue, but do as you will, I'm just saying, I've never bothered and never had a flickering issue.

    I think it might be a good idea to order the optional canbus bulbs as well just to be safe... What do you think?

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by JetBlackNinja View Post
    *ATS is not a true 9006 bulb its actually a 9012 which is soooo close and since 9012 HID bulbs are virtually non existent you will need to trim the bottom tab slightly to fit I matched mine to the OEM bulb took all of 30 seconds with a dremel some HID kits do not need this that is because their tabs are already trimmed to fit both 9006 and 9012 unfortunately the morimoto XB35 is not like that.....but you can kill two birds with one stone here, to fix the top electrode shadow TRS told me to instead trim the other tabs so that instead of instaling electrode up your installing so electrode is rotated 120 degrees (one third turn) to left or right getting the electrode below the cutoff sheild making a perfect beam, should take a minute or two with a dremel to match the new rotated bulb to the tabs of the stock bulb....

    On the Morimoto website they do have 9012's.. DO you see any reason to use 9006 as opposed to the OEM 9012 fitment? I am thinking of just ordering the 9012's.
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    I hear you can use antiflicker capacitors, I've never used them and never had an issue, but do as you will, I'm just saying, I've never bothered and never had a flickering issue.

    I think it might be a good idea to order the optional canbus bulbs as well just to be safe... What do you think?
    Our cars need the canbus, and BTW capacitors are inside these, it's one reason why they work, yes they have them now not when time got mine last Father's Day and they still don't for their best bulb the xb35 which is what I got..... It's cool they have them now.....but if I were to do it again I would still get the 9006 because we still need to trim to reposition the electrode to prevent the shadow and 9006 has bigger tabs so a better starting point for the trimming

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by pissedoffwookiee View Post
    Our cars need the canbus, and BTW capacitors are inside these, it's one reason why they work, yes they have them now not when time got mine last Father's Day and they still don't for their best bulb the xb35 which is what I got..... It's cool they have them now.....but if I were to do it again I would still get the 9006 because we still need to trim to reposition the electrode to prevent the shadow and 9006 has bigger tabs so a better starting point for the trimming
    Could you please explain in more detail this concern about the shadow that is shown and why the electrode needs to be repositioned? I am having a hard time following. When you say 'trim' do you mean drilling a hole with the dremal?

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by JetBlackNinja View Post
    Could you please explain in more detail this concern about the shadow that is shown and why the electrode needs to be repositioned? I am having a hard time following. When you say 'trim' do you mean drilling a hole with the dremal?

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    Could you please explain in more detail this concern about the shadow that is shown and why the electrode needs to be repositioned? I am having a hard time following. When you say 'trim' do you mean drilling a hole with the dremal?
    HID bulbs get powered and consequently have their positive and negative on either end of the bulb capsule, the capsule is attached to the base at one end of the capsule and so a wire (i've been calling it and have seen it frequently called an electrode) attaches to the other end of the bulb capsule and returns to the base to complete its circuit.

    our cars are equipped with projector lenses but are designed for halogens, since both electrical leads on halogen bulb capsules are both on the same end there is no wire (electrode) blocking a side of the bulb, since no side is blocked the bulb produces unhindered light in 360 degrees, as opposed to a HID bulb capsule that has a small portion obscured by the electrode and its insulator.

    since the halogen bulb produces light on all sides our halogen projector can be designed without concern for how the bulb is mounted, a HID projectors design has to be concerned with the location of the electrode in order to keep the small amount of light blocked by it from creating a shadow in the light beam.

    basically the electrode needs to be on the bottom (facing the ground) in order to be below the cutoff shield which basically blocks the dirty (obscured) side of the bulb. unfortunately, our cars have what some would call an upside down projector, that is basically a lens assembly that when installed has the 9006/9012 bulb with its electrical connector pointing up. unfortunately it would seem that is is sort of unusual and a lot of HID bulbs have the electrode on the same side as the bend of the electrical connector. this places the electrode on top (facing the sky) which positions it above the cutoff shield and makes a shadow that emanates from the bulb and cuts through the beams hotspot (imagine dark lasers coming out of your cars eyes slicing through your light beam)

    the fix is to trim the tabs, what i mean by the tabs, i'm referring to the 3 locking tabs that lock the bulb in place when you twist them on...it's a quick 30 second fix with a dremel (cutting wheel)...basically start with your HID and Halogen bulbs one in each hand and line them up front to back and looks across both of them together with the electrical connector facing up just like they would be in stalled in the car....now rotate the HID bulb one third of the way until the tabs line up as close as possible.....and use the Halogen bulb as a guide for how the trim the tabs on the HID bulb.....rotating left of right doesn't really matter, i would recommend choosing the direction that would lead to the least amount of trimming, this will place the electrode under the cutoff shield hiding the shadow. hope that helps...

    a side note you may be ok with the shadow because even the shaded portion was brighter than the halogens, or you can shop around for bulbs where the electrode is on the opposite side of the electrical connecter as another option, i don't personally like that option because it will severely limit your bulb choices, and there are some terrible bulbs out there, this is due to the fact that conversion HID kits bulbs are not true HID automotive bulbs, since those are made by sylvania and philips and maybe one or two others and they typically don't make automotive bulbs with halogen bases, so kit bulbs are whats called rebased, they are HID capsules mated to Halogen bases, and the quality of them range wildly, some are manufactured so the bulbs are not plumb, the center of light on the capsule might be installed too far in or out from the base messing with the focal length etc.

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    Wow brand new cars and still don't have H.I.D on all models? Especially a Luxury brand like Cadillac... That's a shame... My 05 E500 has H.I.D stock it ain't exactly new technology no way I'd purchase a new car without it.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

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    Wow brand new cars and still don't have H.I.D on all models? Especially a Luxury brand like Cadillac... That's a shame... My 05 E500 has H.I.D stock it ain't exactly new technology no way I'd purchase a new car without it.
    only on lower trim cars, and mercedes does this too, most makes of cars have one or two lower trim cars with halogen bulbs even your 2005 E-Class the E320 uses halogens.....my ATS premium has OEM HID bulbs too, but i opted to be positive and not flaunt that and help a brother/sister ATS owner with a question asked of me.......seems to me responding "DUDE! what no HID, my Premium has em, you shoulda got what i got" would have been not as nice....and for the record ALL the ATS lights are of incredible quality, the halogens are really bright, this upgrade is far from necesssary basically for the fun of modding and cosmetic than any big performance improvement (brighter yes but the Halogens are great and don't make the car faster .....I would bet a 13/14 Halogen is really close to or better than an '05 E-Class with HID just warmer on the color spectrum

    were i feeling not so nice i might say......, Wow your car doesn't have a Touch screen Especially a Luxury brand like Mercedes... That's a shame... My ATS Premium has it stock it ain't exactly new technology no way I'd purchase a new car without it.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS How To: H.I.D Conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by txboifrozt View Post
    Wow brand new cars and still don't have H.I.D on all models? Especially a Luxury brand like Cadillac... That's a shame... My 05 E500 has H.I.D stock it ain't exactly new technology no way I'd purchase a new car without it.
    Yep, Mustangs have had HIDs only for several years. That tells me two things: (1) Cadillac believes some of its customers will move up trim levels based substantially on a desire for HIDs and (2) Ford believes Mustang customers won't, so takes the savings from having one system and selling more of it.

    I don't have a problem with Cadillac doing this if they are right and it makes them more money but it kind of sucks that a few Cadillac buyers have to buy a bunch of features they don't want in order to get improved safety. But then that is only happening because enough people want HIDs just because of the statement they think they make. Kind of a twisted circle.

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