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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Your dealer wasn't very honest with you. I went from a base luxury ATS to the base premium for 3500 dollars. I thought that was a very reasonable price difference for all the extras you get with the premium. Just to name a few you get navigation with 10 speaker surround sound, HID /LED headlights, 18 inch wheels, HUD, Driver awareness pkg, CD player,paddle shifters, active grill shutters, adaptive foreward lighting,automatic rainsensing wipers,foreword collision alert,12 way adjustable sport bucket seats and a few other things. I think thats not a bad price to pay for a much better equiped and looking car. 10 grand is a huge exageration and I would never pay that much more for a trim level change.

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by JSATS View Post
    Your dealer wasn't very honest with you. I went from a base luxury ATS to the base premium for 3500 dollars. I thought that was a very reasonable price difference for all the extras you get with the premium. Just to name a few you get navigation with 10 speaker surround sound, HID /LED headlights, 18 inch wheels, HUD, Driver awareness pkg, CD player,paddle shifters, active grill shutters, adaptive foreward lighting,automatic rainsensing wipers,foreword collision alert,12 way adjustable sport bucket seats and a few other things. I think thats not a bad price to pay for a much better equiped and looking car. 10 grand is a huge exageration and I would never pay that much more for a trim level change.
    I would not call him dishonest, a fully loaded Premium is about $10k more here.

    But moreover, he had no Premiums in inventory and only one 3.6 Luxury. This one came equipped as I would have ordered it also, minus HID and MRC. MRC I can do without, but HID is a must. We checked the ATS service books with the master mechanic and we made the incorrect conclusion that they could be upgraded. I have since sent back the OEM components (didn't fit) and went aftermarket instead.

    I am just being practical, but wished that Cadillac would allow choice of HID on all trims.

    OTOH, for $3500 more I would have picked the Premium, you are correct about that.

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Does anyone know if i can put a aftermarket hid kit on here? i have the hallogen headlamps and i would like to change the bulbs to a 6000k hid. What bulb type is it. Maybe someone can post a tutorial if they have done this?

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by antd71889 View Post
    Does anyone know if i can put a aftermarket hid kit on here? i have the hallogen headlamps and i would like to change the bulbs to a 6000k hid. What bulb type is it. Maybe someone can post a tutorial if they have done this?
    No need for a tutorial, conversion is pretty simple, really. It takes $100 in parts and a couple of hours in a garage.

    Search for "ATS HID" at amazon.com. This should point you to this $85 item -> link ZEEZ-HID-Headlight-Conversion-CADILLAC
    (Their ballasts are of very high quality).
    I gave them all the information, but I believe it to just be the GM 9006 standard halogen size.

    Make sure that you also get the Anti Flicker Capacitor - here is an ebay $10 item -> link anti-flicker+capacitor
    You need this to arrest the flickering of the DRL.
    (You HID take over the DRL function - they are 'normally on'
    - but you can turn them off in the daytime by turning off the automatic light control on the steering wheel control stalk).

    ATS: OEM halogen bulb

    HID replacement bulb

    And you'll need to remove the bumper, wire the HID and put it back on.

    The projectors are quite clean with the HID bulb - better than most that I have seen prior


    Reminder - an adjustment screw on the headlight unit exist for vertical alignment only (big white plastic screw). (There should not be any adjustment needed, really, but my halogen bulbs were actually aimed a bit too high).

    And 6000k looks great, nicer than the 4500k Premium HIDs. (Don't go any higher)

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    hid lights dont let you see any farther. they simply put a brighter spot of light on the ground right in front of your car where you dont have much reaction time any way. but, you know, they look cool, and that's what's important right?

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    hid lights dont let you see any farther. they simply put a brighter spot of light on the ground right in front of your car where you dont have much reaction time any way. but, you know, they look cool, and that's what's important right?
    I don't know - there are deer on my street late at night and I almost could not see them with the Halogen lights. Never happened with HID (the eyes of the deer light up). I am talking high beam here.

    It's not about speeding - go to the track for that - it is about driving comfort - to me. HID give me that extra comfort, even on freeways and dark roads.

    Between two negatives, I'd take the HID over the Halogen, lol
    http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
    If you illuminate the foreground very strongly, your eyes will adapt to that big area of strong illumination, your pupils will become smaller, and your distance vision will be reduced. (On the other hand, if you take the route prescribed for so long by US headlamp regulations and have very LITTLE foreground illumination, you'll have a "black hole" in front of the car, and you'll be straining to see what you're about to run over...)

    Besides, if Halogen were truly much better, they would be installed on the Premium, right?

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    I never said halogen were better. Xenon tend to be better because they are generally more expensive and better engineering has gone into the enclosure. I admit most halogen lights don't give an ideal amount of illumination. But I have driven at least one that was superior to any xenon I have driven.

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I never said halogen were better. Xenon tend to be better because they are generally more expensive and better engineering has gone into the enclosure. I admit most halogen lights don't give an ideal amount of illumination. But I have driven at least one that was superior to any xenon I have driven.
    Which one?

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    My 2004 Honda Pilot. The halogen beams were superior to every xenon light I have experienced. They had a wide, far reaching pattern, that somehow, did not reach into the path of oncoming motorists. They were superb. Which sucks, because it was the only bright spot (pardon the pun) of that otherwise horrible vehicle.

    The xenons on my 2010 Camaro are not bad. 2009 Enclave is decent. The xenons on all my CTS were absolutely horrible. fwiw, I have spent considerable time in a halogen 2009 Maxima (which are the projector type) and they border on dangerous. Their beam path is very, very small. It scares me that my mom drives that car at night.

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    [My 2004 Honda Pilot. The halogen beams were superior to every xenon light I have experienced. They had a wide, far reaching pattern, that somehow, did not reach into the path of oncoming motorists. They were superb. Which sucks, because it was the only bright spot (pardon the pun) of that otherwise horrible vehicle.
    Makes sense as it is a taller vehicle, so the lights have a better angle towards the ground.

    The Porsches are very low to the ground, and their HID is self leveling as to not to blind oncoming motorists, too easy for lowly mounted Xenons.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    The xenons on my 2010 Camaro are not bad. 2009 Enclave is decent. The xenons on all my CTS were absolutely horrible. fwiw, I have spent considerable time in a halogen 2009 Maxima (which are the projector type) and they border on dangerous. Their beam path is very, very small. It scares me that my mom drives that car at night.
    I guess that we are lucky here in California, all roads here are properly marked, and the road reflectors (cat eyes) remain bright for a long time. They really work well with HID lights.

    When driving on roads with no reflective surfaces (no street signs), and dark roads, then driving with Halogen can possibly match HID, as you get used to the darkness. but in urban settings, on roads with lots of markings, or oncoming traffic, nothing beats HID as you are not using your night vision anyways.

    I find Halogen lights often tiresome, sometimes dangerous, like you say. You end up relying on the lights of other cars, not a good thing.

    Another quirk, HID lights use less power, are brighter, and last much longer than Halogen, why not make them into law for all cars?

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    So is there any other way to get to the lights besides removing the bumper?? Maybe wheel well ?
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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by antd71889 View Post
    So is there any other way to get to the lights besides removing the bumper?? Maybe wheel well ?
    Nope, not possible. Same as on CTS.

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_skies View Post
    No need for a tutorial, conversion is pretty simple, really.
    Please Please do the tutorial on How-to HID.

    Did you have to install two spade like terminals connected to the socket or just plug-n-play?

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    Re: HID & LED Headlights

    the HIDs were part of what sealed the deal on my upgrade to the Performance package. I would have stuck with Luxury, but I really wanted the paddle shifter setup and HID/Led front end.

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    I say just get the model with the HIDs because adding them after the fact will not give you the proper cutoff unless you change to the actual HID projectors.

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