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    GM has done a great job on non name brand brakes. I know my '10 SRX sure can stop on a dime for its size and weight.
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    Re: brembo and tremec

    No one mentioned the new coating on the ATS and XTS brake rotors. It's supposed to prevent the brake pulsing that's driven me crazy with my last two cars, saving us money on resurfacing and rotor replacement--allegedly.

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    Re: brembo and tremec

    Quote Originally Posted by ral1960 View Post
    No one mentioned the new coating on the ATS and XTS brake rotors. It's supposed to prevent the brake pulsing that's driven me crazy with my last two cars, saving us money on resurfacing and rotor replacement--allegedly.
    Coating? The only coating I'm aware of is a kind of Zinc Plating to prevent them from rusting and looking bad. GM's finnaly started to do this to all it's rotors.

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    how can you put a coating on a brake rotor? it would wear off almost immediately. Unless you are talking about the hat. That would be nice. I usually paint mine silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    how can you put a coating on a brake rotor? it would wear off almost immediately. Unless you are talking about the hat. That would be nice. I usually paint mine silver.
    this is what he(and I) are talking about

    http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n.../1130_fnc.html

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    I just don't see how surface treating is going extend the life of the rotor. It's still going to wear over time, and the surface treatment will be long gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I just don't see how surface treating is going extend the life of the rotor. It's still going to wear over time, and the surface treatment will be long gone.
    FNC isn't a coating, sorry, should have clarified. It's a chemical process that actually results in a hardened material. This material also resists corrosion for much longer, similar to Zinc coating.

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    It's still just surface hardening. I am in the heat treating industry, and carburizing is very common place. It surface hardens steel by impregnating the very surface with carbon. But it doesn't go very deep, and on something like a brake rotor, which gets worn down, I don't see the point. Other than keeping the rotors shinier a little bit longer, and wearing out the brake pads faster until that harder rotor surface breaks down.

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    Actually I said impregnating. I am very good at it too.

    for the record, I am totally onboard with brembos. I love having brembos. changing pads is cake. I just hope they do both front and back. I realize rear brembos are not as important as front, but why do fronts without backs when it is such a slap-in-the-face cost cutter?

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    i wonder if this new FNC process for rotors makes the correct bedding of pads less of an issue and so the pads wear down instead of the pads eating into the rotor
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    I never understood the whole bedding thing. I understand and accept its merits, but where, and how, am I supposed to take a brand new car and do 6-10 consecutive panic stops without bringing the car to a full stop? That's a little hard to do safely in Chicagoland.

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    Re: brembo and tremec

    yeah i never understood how anyone could be expected to perform the bedding procedure but i do understand the concept behind why and how it works

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    when you bed the pads you've transferred (evenly) pad material onto the rotor and so when you brake the pad is contacting pad

    1) this causes the pads to wear down a lot less quickly
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    2) the pad wears down and the rotor doesn't

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    well at least that's my take on it
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    Re: brembo and tremec

    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    It's not really cost, but rather sizing. It's not needed, so they don't do it. Brembo doesn't make single piston calipers to my knowledge. The backs are almost certainly single piston.
    my old bmw 135i had brembo rear brakes, along with the brembo 4-pot fronts. they do exist. manufacturers don't fit them, because of the lack of need, as you posted.

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