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Cadillac ATS Technical Discussion Forum Discussion, [Deliberate Misinformation] The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about... in Cadillac ATS Discussion Forums; 4000 must be acceptable, because most midsize luxury sedans are there or almost there, and they are selling. I think ...
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    4000 must be acceptable, because most midsize luxury sedans are there or almost there, and they are selling. I think the RS6 is almost 5000. The luxury-buying masses don't care. It's driving enthusiasts like us who care. Unfortunately, we are in the very small minority. Hopefully CAFE2020 fixes that. Hopefully.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Maybe Lord Cadillac is part of the disinformation team at GM? Let's hope this is true and the real weight is under 3,500.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Quote Originally Posted by brothleutner View Post
    Maybe Lord Cadillac is part of the disinformation team at GM? Let's hope this is true and the real weight is under 3,500.
    The C6 Corvette weighs about 3300 lbs, the Z06 weights 3150ish, ZR1 back up to 3300 lbs. ATS will weigh more than that, more than likely significantly more.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Quote Originally Posted by brothleutner View Post
    Maybe Lord Cadillac is part of the disinformation team at GM?
    lulz

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    There is quite a thread about the ATS weight issue on another boad. Many blame Cadillac itself for the problem by demanding all kinds of changes to the GM alpha platform which increased weight. I don't know, but I do know that this is a hot topic on automotive message boards for all kinds or makes. BMW enthusiasts are very worried that the upcoming new 3-series (F30) will weigh more than the existing 3 (E90) even though the new car will have a 4 cylinder turbo as the base engine. In any event, all manufacturers will be dealing with increased CAFE requirements and "fat" cars will hinder them from achieving the marks. At the same time, buyers are demanding more and more options and regulations demand stronger structures for crash protection. Nevertheless, Cadillac has talked up the ATS as a serious 3-series competitor - a very tall order given that the 3 has been the benchmark sedan in this class for more than two decades. I hope that Cadillac takes a deep breath, steps back and makes sure that they have the ATS "right" before they release it.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    ^ Agreeed

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    You're right.. And that's what GM was originally hoping for.. But the Alpha platform wasn't originally intended for a luxury car to sit on top of it. It was supposed to be a small, light car that you can fling around and have fun with. The more luxurious the car that sits on top gets, the heavier it's going to be... Unfortunately...
    So will the ATS-V be heavy because of luxury options, or will it be heavy because of luxury options on the wrong platform? If its heavy because of luxury, thats understandable. But if its heavy because they used a platform that shouldnt have been used, then thats not so ok.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    The platform just wasn't meant to be used to carry a Cadillac - which is naturally going to be heavier than a Chevy. That's the only way I can think of to answer your question. The platform is perfect for a sports car. Not so much a luxury car.
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    If it's a sports car platform, then it should be lighter, no?

    That's part of the problem with the current Camaro. They used the Holden full size platform and shrunk it a little. It's still a very big, very heavy unibody.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    The platform was originally fine until Cadillac got it's hands on it. Now it's needing this and that (suspension upgrades for a larger engine than intended, for example) and it's getting heavy. Add luxury amenities, and it'll be even heavier. I have a feeling the ATS will still be very competitive.. It's just not going to be a 335i right out the door. And I think the ATS-V will also be very, very competitive - especially for the price.. Cadillac may not get it completely together with the ATS until the second generation. But, like the first generation CTS-V, it had a nice following amongst driving enthusiasts.
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trivium View Post
    Yea def upsets me because i was looking for the 3,500-3,700lb range which would have completely murdered the M3. Hopin this is a fluke n gm actually makes the car lighter or if they dont give us an AWD =-) That def make my day
    the E90 is 3700 lbs in the base form and almost 38-3900 fully loaded.

    In convertible form you're eyeballing the 4200lb mark with toys.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    god, it's been ages since i posted on this site...well, anyway...regarding the ats and it's packaging, i think this time around, the engineers will live up to the task at hand...the days of grandiose statements by the marketing department before a car was introduced and then have the finished product be a huge letdown...i think that's behind gm now.

    the ats should come in around the size and weight of the 2012 3 series...the powertrain will have a turbo 4 and should make around the same numbers as the turbo 4 in the 2012 3 and 5 series...one big question is whether theengineers will design the motor for 87 or for premium fuel. since it's a 4 banger i suspect that they will opt for premium, to help throttle response and driveability. this would break the mold for gm, based on their past engines; espceially for the entry level model.

    but, the esential point in this thread is critical to the success of the vehicle: the weight must by competitive
    with the a4 or the 3 series. the engineers were able to do it with the cts:compare the weight of a 5 series with the cts and they're very close.

    so lets hope, the designers don't overload the ats with too much fluff for the base model...let the customer load it up with stuff and weight if they want.....


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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    :compare the weight of a 5 series with the cts and they're very close.
    if you measure weight compraed to interior volume and exterior size the CTS weighs more. Even the E60 has more interior room than a CTS. Right now, the CTS is sort of a size between a 3 series and 5 series.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    if you measure weight compraed to interior volume and exterior size the CTS weighs more. Even the E60 has more interior room than a CTS. Right now, the CTS is sort of a size between a 3 series and 5 series.
    Very true. We'll have to see how the next generation CTS compares with the BMW 5-Series. I'm guessing it'll weigh slightly more... I'm also guessing the ATS will weigh slightly more than the 3-Series...
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    Very true. We'll have to see how the next generation CTS compares with the BMW 5-Series. I'm guessing it'll weigh slightly more... I'm also guessing the ATS will weigh slightly more than the 3-Series...
    I would say you're not too far off that guess, as long as we're not talking 200+lbs more though, the decreased cost can forgive some extra love handles.

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